Ireland v Wales
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@majorrage said in Ireland v Wales:
@catogrande said in Ireland v Wales:
@the-irishman said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Pretty clear to me that you and a few other morons on here are the ones with the chip on the shoulder.
You need to view this place a bit like a pub. It's a public place but there are a lot of private conversations that can be overheard quite easily, usually with a lot of banter going on between people who have known each other for a long time. Like in a pub you can always walk away if you don't like the banter.
Or you could get pissed and take exception...
Absolutely spot on. The shit said behind Catogrande's back is off the scale.
Yeah. Full of keyboard warriors here
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@majorrage said in Ireland v Wales:
@catogrande said in Ireland v Wales:
@the-irishman said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Pretty clear to me that you and a few other morons on here are the ones with the chip on the shoulder.
You need to view this place a bit like a pub. It's a public place but there are a lot of private conversations that can be overheard quite easily, usually with a lot of banter going on between people who have known each other for a long time. Like in a pub you can always walk away if you don't like the banter.
Or you could get pissed and take exception...
Absolutely spot on. The shit said behind Catogrande's back is off the scale.
fuck off. Directly to his stupid pommy face
Also the Irish are hard core poachers
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@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Funny thing about all the arguments above, is the comment was actually towards the Welsh nine, not the Irish
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit. -
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Funny thing about all the arguments above, is the comment was actually towards the Welsh nine, not the Irish
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.oh was it?? I thought I was replying to "How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?"
Anyway, I didn't mean to insult the Irish. The chip on the shoulder is a well-known 9 stereotype, or so I erroneously thought... -
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Funny thing about all the arguments above, is the comment was actually towards the Welsh nine, not the Irish
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.oh was it?? I thought I was replying to "How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?"
Anyway, I didn't mean to insult the Irish. The chip on the shoulder is a well-known 9 stereotype,or so I erroneously thought...as everyone knows. -
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With regard to why Gibson-Park is starting at 9 for Ireland, it's been a controversial enough call in Ireland. Or at least it was until his performances against Japan and New Zealand in November quietened many of his critics. He's got the skill set that Farrell wants in his scrum-half, can get the ball away quickly, provides enough of a running threat, excellent support runner. His performance on Saturday was a bit hesitant though and that will be punished by better sides.
On the other scrum-half options in Ireland, Conor Murray used to be head and shoulders above all the others but he's regressed quite a bit since he picked up a neck injury in 2018. His understudy at Munster, Craig Casey, certainly has the zip to play the type of game that Farrell wants and I hope Munster bring in a head coach who wants his side to play some rugby as this will definitely benefit their international aspirations. Van Graan's bok-lite rugby at Munster has killed some players' international ambitions down there.
Luke McGrath starts as many matches as JGP for Leinster when they're both fit but his passing accuracy simply isn't good enough for international rugby. A shame because he's a better player than JGP in most other aspects.
Couple of decent options at Connacht in Kieran Marmion and Caolin Blade but their faces don't seem to fit, same with John Cooney of Ulster who was the form scrum-half in the country in 2019 and 2020.
Best prospect is Nathan Doak up at Ulster. Only turned 20 in December, already getting plenty of starts for Ulster due to Cooney's injuries. Looks the heir apparent and certainly is chippy enough. Actually might need to tone it down a bit as he's pissed off some refs in the last couple of matches.
To sum up, Gibson-Park is one of a number of decent but not top-class scrum halfs in Ireland. He's got the jersey at the moment but it wouldn't be a massive surprise if he disappeared off the radar completely if his form dropped a bit.
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@cormac said in Ireland v Wales:
With regard to why Gibson-Park is starting at 9 for Ireland, it's been a controversial enough call in Ireland. Or at least it was until his performances against Japan and New Zealand in November quietened many of his critics. He's got the skill set that Farrell wants in his scrum-half, can get the ball away quickly, provides enough of a running threat, excellent support runner. His performance on Saturday was a bit hesitant though and that will be punished by better sides.
On the other scrum-half options in Ireland, Conor Murray used to be head and shoulders above all the others but he's regressed quite a bit since he picked up a neck injury in 2018. His understudy at Munster, Craig Casey, certainly has the zip to play the type of game that Farrell wants and I hope Munster bring in a head coach who wants his side to play some rugby as this will definitely benefit their international aspirations. Van Graan's bok-lite rugby at Munster has killed some players' international ambitions down there.
Luke McGrath starts as many matches as JGP for Leinster when they're both fit but his passing accuracy simply isn't good enough for international rugby. A shame because he's a better player than JGP in most other aspects.
Couple of decent options at Connacht in Kieran Marmion and Caolin Blade but their faces don't seem to fit, same with John Cooney of Ulster who was the form scrum-half in the country in 2019 and 2020.
Best prospect is Nathan Doak up at Ulster. Only turned 20 in December, already getting plenty of starts for Ulster due to Cooney's injuries. Looks the heir apparent and certainly is chippy enough. Actually might need to tone it down a bit as he's pissed off some refs in the last couple of matches.
To sum up, Gibson-Park is one of a number of decent but not top-class scrum halfs in Ireland. He's got the jersey at the moment but it wouldn't be a massive surprise if he disappeared off the radar completely if his form dropped a bit.
Great analysis
Thanks
I like Marmion