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    • Hooroo
      Hooroo last edited by

      Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.

      The Greatest

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      • shark
        shark @Hooroo last edited by

        @hooroo said in GOAT:

        Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.

        The Greatest

        So are you saying the GOAT across all sports? Certainly agree for longevity.

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        • Chester Draws
          Chester Draws @shark last edited by

          For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.

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          • MajorRage
            MajorRage @Chester Draws last edited by

            @chester-draws said in GOAT:

            For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.

            Mickleson kind of tore that one up ….

            Hard to go past Brady for me.

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            • shark
              shark @Chester Draws last edited by

              @chester-draws said in GOAT:

              For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.

              I think winning a significant event in a vastly more physical sport at almost 50 outweighs Nicklaus' accomplishment.

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              • shark
                shark @MajorRage last edited by

                @majorrage said in GOAT:

                @chester-draws said in GOAT:

                For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.

                Mickleson kind of tore that one up ….

                Hard to go past Brady for me.

                Yeah Brady and Federer, and at some point in the not so distant future, LeBron, are right up there.

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                • Hooroo
                  Hooroo @shark last edited by

                  @shark said in GOAT:

                  @hooroo said in GOAT:

                  Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.

                  The Greatest

                  So are you saying the GOAT across all sports? Certainly agree for longevity.

                  Yeah pretty much, in my eyes. That has put him above Jordan for me.

                  Stupidly subjective but it blows me away what he has achieved. 30 years after winning his first Pipe.

                  Blows my mind

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                  • shark
                    shark @Hooroo last edited by

                    @hooroo said in GOAT:

                    @shark said in GOAT:

                    @hooroo said in GOAT:

                    Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.

                    The Greatest

                    So are you saying the GOAT across all sports? Certainly agree for longevity.

                    Yeah pretty much, in my eyes. That has put him above Jordan for me.

                    Stupidly subjective but it blows me away what he has achieved. 30 years after winning his first Pipe.

                    Blows my mind

                    Massive span. The only thing really hanging over him is surfings' claim as a major sport. It's still a bit of a niche sport and many would put it in the same category as skate boarding.

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                    • Hooroo
                      Hooroo @shark last edited by Hooroo

                      @shark said in GOAT:

                      @hooroo said in GOAT:

                      @shark said in GOAT:

                      @hooroo said in GOAT:

                      Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.

                      The Greatest

                      So are you saying the GOAT across all sports? Certainly agree for longevity.

                      Yeah pretty much, in my eyes. That has put him above Jordan for me.

                      Stupidly subjective but it blows me away what he has achieved. 30 years after winning his first Pipe.

                      Blows my mind

                      Massive span. The only thing really hanging over him is surfings' claim as a major sport. It's still a bit of a niche sport and many would put it in the same category as skate boarding.

                      I think it is massively popular as a "sport" in terms of numbers but not in terms of competitive comps? (I don't really know but think I read somewhere it had huge numbers in NZ which surprised me) I also think I read/heard somewhere there are more Surfers than Skiers/Snowboarders? I can't back any of that up though

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                      • Kiwiwomble
                        Kiwiwomble @Hooroo last edited by

                        @hooroo i wouldn't be surprised just based off there has to be significantly more surfable beaches than ski fields and you can surf a lot more of the year...and i believe there are a lot more and or bigger cities near coasts (think harbours) than mountains

                        It does get very confusing with these sports/activities that have an aspect where you can do it on your own, removing a lot of the competition. The number of people that will go down the local park to "play rugby/football/cricket" on their own would be pretty small...where as skiing and surfing i would guess its the other way around, the competition aspect would be smaller than the casual one

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                        • shark
                          shark @Hooroo last edited by shark

                          @hooroo none of that would surprise me. Surfing would be a lot more accessible than skiing or boarding: less gear required, you don't have to pay to use beaches or drive for hours to reach one as most of us live near a coast and you can surf year-round if you're keen enough. I'm often surprised when someone mentions they went for a surf (currently trying to recall the unlikely individual who said so just this past week) so it's more popular as a leisure activity than I would have expected. But it's still what I'd consider a fringe or minority sport, with the major allure for mine being Flick Palmateers' ass on IG rather than as a spectator sport.

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                          • Hooroo
                            Hooroo @shark last edited by

                            @shark said in GOAT:

                            @hooroo none of that would surprise me. Surfing would be a lot more accessible than skiing or boarding: less gear required, you don't have to pay to use beaches or drive for hours to reach one as most of us live near a coast and you can surf year-round if you're keen enough. I'm often surprised when someone mentions they went for a surf (currently trying to recall the unlikely individual who said so just this past week) so it's more popular as a leisure activity than I would have expected. But it's still what I'd consider a fringe or minority sport, with the major allure for mine being Flick Palmateers' ass on IG rather than as a spectator sport.

                            Agree on all the above.

                            I enjoy watching it all the same.

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                            • nzzp
                              nzzp @shark last edited by

                              @shark said in GOAT:

                              @majorrage said in GOAT:

                              @chester-draws said in GOAT:

                              For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.

                              Mickleson kind of tore that one up ….

                              Hard to go past Brady for me.

                              Yeah Brady and Federer, and at some point in the not so distant future, LeBron, are right up there.

                              Not Brady for me. Stafford is currently showing how important the team is in NFL --so while he's GOAT of NFL, I wouldn't put him up there in all time GOAT.

                              The reach of the sport is critical to me, which means unfortunately that a Soccer player is probably a candidate. Basketball more than NFL/MLB/NHL - again due to accessibility.

                              Maybe Zatopek for his magic effort?

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                              • mariner4life
                                mariner4life last edited by

                                The GOAT Mt Rushmore of my lifetime is Slater, Jordan, Tiger Woods and Brady.

                                Slater winning Pipe at basically 50 is fucking ridiculous. Surfing is more a young man's game than nearly anything. And Pipe is the most famous comp in the sport. To win Pipe at his age is hard to comprehend.

                                Brady stuck up competition leading numbers at 44. Slater won Pipe at 50. The fuck am i doing with my life?

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                                • Kiwiwomble
                                  Kiwiwomble @mariner4life last edited by

                                  @mariner4life mt rushmore is actually a great way to do it, too hard to pick just one, also too hard to argue with the choices

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                                  • antipodean
                                    antipodean last edited by

                                    I recognise the obvious; Slater is widely regarded as the best surfer of his generation. I also recognise that it's entirely a subjective sport.

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                                    • shark
                                      shark @nzzp last edited by

                                      @nzzp said in GOAT:

                                      @shark said in GOAT:

                                      @majorrage said in GOAT:

                                      @chester-draws said in GOAT:

                                      For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.

                                      Mickleson kind of tore that one up ….

                                      Hard to go past Brady for me.

                                      Yeah Brady and Federer, and at some point in the not so distant future, LeBron, are right up there.

                                      Not Brady for me. Stafford is currently showing how important the team is in NFL --so while he's GOAT of NFL, I wouldn't put him up there in all time GOAT.

                                      The reach of the sport is critical to me, which means unfortunately that a Soccer player is probably a candidate. Basketball more than NFL/MLB/NHL - again due to accessibility.

                                      Maybe Zatopek for his magic effort?

                                      I was speaking of longevity.

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                                      • Kiwiwomble
                                        Kiwiwomble @antipodean last edited by

                                        @antipodean said in GOAT:

                                        I recognise the obvious; Slater is widely regarded as the best surfer of his generation. I also recognise that it's entirely a subjective sport.

                                        yes, things become interesting with things like judging every wave being different

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                                        • MN5
                                          MN5 last edited by

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                                          • booboo
                                            booboo @mariner4life last edited by

                                            @mariner4life said in GOAT:

                                            The GOAT Mt Rushmore of my lifetime is Slater, Jordan, Tiger Woods and Brady.

                                            Slater winning Pipe at basically 50 is fucking ridiculous. Surfing is more a young man's game than nearly anything. And Pipe is the most famous comp in the sport. To win Pipe at his age is hard to comprehend.

                                            Brady stuck up competition leading numbers at 44. Slater won Pipe at 50. The fuck am i doing with my life?

                                            Very US centric of you.

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                                            • booboo
                                              booboo last edited by booboo

                                              See @MN5 has mentioned cricket GOATs Bradman and Tendulkar, but being @MN5 seems to have overstepped the mark, managed to miss the point and get deleted...

                                              ... but when you're considering GOATs you've got to consider these two.

                                              Cricket is a fucking HUUUGE sport in terms of support because India...

                                              Bradman first obviously. Tendulkar some way behind.

                                              Bradman obviously not our lifetime, but Tendulkar worth consideration.

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                                              • Tim
                                                Tim last edited by

                                                Maybe football could be considered too.

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                                                • MiketheSnow
                                                  MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                  Ali

                                                  Transcended his sport

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                                                  • canefan
                                                    canefan @Tim last edited by

                                                    @tim said in GOAT:

                                                    Maybe football could be considered too.

                                                    It's only fair, after all it is the most popular sport in the world

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                                                    • canefan
                                                      canefan last edited by

                                                      I never saw Pele, but his videos are all over you tube, the guy was a magician. Maradona scored the best goal I think I've ever seen in a WC game (soon after scoring one of the most infamous). He made the whole England team look like pub players

                                                      Messi and Ronaldo obviously deserve mentions of the current crop. The only knock on Messi would be his lack of international major trophy success

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                                                      • Victor Meldrew
                                                        Victor Meldrew last edited by

                                                        Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.

                                                        Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team.
                                                        

                                                        Max Woosnam - Wikipedia

                                                        Max Woosnam - Wikipedia
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                                                        • Tim
                                                          Tim last edited by

                                                          Nadal

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                                                          • canefan
                                                            canefan @Tim last edited by canefan

                                                            @tim said in GOAT:

                                                            Nadal

                                                            Statistically it's him or Joker when it's said and done. Roger got beat by Rafa at his home GS of Wimbledon when both were pretty much at their peak. Rafa and Joker both have 2 of each of the GSs. And Joker has had the upper hand in GS head to heads for some time IIRC

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                                                            • MajorRage
                                                              MajorRage @Victor Meldrew last edited by

                                                              @victor-meldrew said in GOAT:

                                                              Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.

                                                              Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team.
                                                              

                                                              Max Woosnam - Wikipedia

                                                              Max Woosnam - Wikipedia

                                                              Kim Jong-un?

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                                                              • Victor Meldrew
                                                                Victor Meldrew @MajorRage last edited by

                                                                @majorrage said in GOAT:

                                                                Kim Jong-un?

                                                                Better haircut.

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                                                                  scribe @Victor Meldrew last edited by

                                                                  @victor-meldrew said in GOAT:

                                                                  Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.

                                                                  Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team.
                                                                  

                                                                  Max Woosnam - Wikipedia

                                                                  Max Woosnam - Wikipedia

                                                                  No one likes a show off.

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                                                                    nostrildamus @scribe last edited by nostrildamus

                                                                    Phil Taylor. 16 world championships, plus carried far more weight to height than most of the above mentioned, 19 stones of dart-pushing momentum on a 5 foot 8 or so frame. Heavier than 6"6' Anthony Joshua at his flabbiest peak.

                                                                    Edit: I guess my cryptic point is it would be interesting and useful to have some meta-criteria so out there "sports" like darts are considered or not on an equal footing...

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                                                                    • Victor Meldrew
                                                                      Victor Meldrew @nostrildamus last edited by Victor Meldrew

                                                                      @nostrildamus said in GOAT:

                                                                      Phil Taylor. 16 world championships, plus carried far more weight to height than most of the above mentioned, 19 stones of dart-pushing momentum on a 5 foot 8 or so frame. Heavier than 6"6' Anthony Joshua at his flabbiest peak.

                                                                      Edit: I guess my cryptic point is it would be interesting and useful to have some meta-criteria so out there "sports" like darts are considered or not on an equal footing...

                                                                      That's an interesting point. Someone once said Damon Hill was the greatest development driver he had ever seen in Formula One, who could tune a good car into a truly great one better than anyone, but was an average racing driver.

                                                                      That's a great skill, but is it a truly sporting skill?

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                                                                      • Catogrande
                                                                        Catogrande @Victor Meldrew last edited by

                                                                        @victor-meldrew said in GOAT:

                                                                        Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.

                                                                        Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team.
                                                                        

                                                                        Max Woosnam - Wikipedia

                                                                        Max Woosnam - Wikipedia

                                                                        If we're talking about achievements across a variety of sport, the CB Fry must get a mention. International cricketer, 94 first class centuries including 6 on the trot, world long jump record holder, England international footballer, FA Cup finalist, a handy first class rugby player (Blackheath). More importantly he was asked to become King of Albani but turned it down.

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                                                                        • Victor Meldrew
                                                                          Victor Meldrew @Catogrande last edited by Victor Meldrew

                                                                          @catogrande said in GOAT:

                                                                          If we're talking about achievements across a variety of sport, the CB Fry must get a mention. International cricketer, 94 first class centuries including 6 on the trot, world long jump record holder, England international footballer, FA Cup finalist, a handy first class rugby player (Blackheath). More importantly he was asked to become King of Albani but turned it down.

                                                                          And Denis Compton. That era seemed to have a number of people like that - Martin Donnelly as well who played Test rugby for England (who were poaching even then.....😎 )

                                                                          In the modern era, Jeff Wilson and Andy Ripley spring to mind.

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                                                                          • booboo
                                                                            booboo last edited by

                                                                            Steve Redgrave? Gold medals at 5 consecutive Olympics (and a bronze) plus 9x World Champs.

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                                                                            • MN5
                                                                              MN5 @booboo last edited by

                                                                              @booboo said in GOAT:

                                                                              See @MN5 has mentioned cricket GOATs Bradman and Tendulkar, but being @MN5 seems to have overstepped the mark, managed to miss the point and get deleted...

                                                                              ... but when you're considering GOATs you've got to consider these two.

                                                                              Cricket is a fucking HUUUGE sport in terms of support because India...

                                                                              Bradman first obviously. Tendulkar some way behind.

                                                                              Bradman obviously not our lifetime, but Tendulkar worth consideration.

                                                                              Not quite sure what I did but you’ve pretty much made whatever point I was going to make…..I’m not entirely sure Tendulkar was the absolute best of his generation though let alone ever. 200 tests is a wonderful effort though.

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                                                                              • MN5
                                                                                MN5 @MiketheSnow last edited by MN5

                                                                                @mikethesnow said in GOAT:

                                                                                Ali

                                                                                Transcended his sport

                                                                                Plus fought EVERYONE, didn’t duck a single top fighter of his era, not perfect though, he still lost to Norton and Frazier relatively early in his career ( but then Foreman destroyed both of them who Ali beat )

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                                                                                • Hooroo
                                                                                  Hooroo last edited by

                                                                                  Ronnie O'Sullivan is up there for me too

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                                                                                  • Hooroo
                                                                                    Hooroo last edited by

                                                                                    My top ten would be (in no particular order)

                                                                                    Slater
                                                                                    Jordan
                                                                                    Nicklaus
                                                                                    O'Sullivan
                                                                                    Bradman
                                                                                    Brady
                                                                                    Hamish Bond (Massive Bias there)
                                                                                    Gretsky
                                                                                    Lance Armstrong
                                                                                    (Space for one other as I ponder it)

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