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Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.
The Greatest
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Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.
The Greatest
So are you saying the GOAT across all sports? Certainly agree for longevity.
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For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.
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@chester-draws said in GOAT:
For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.
Mickleson kind of tore that one up ….
Hard to go past Brady for me.
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@chester-draws said in GOAT:
For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.
I think winning a significant event in a vastly more physical sport at almost 50 outweighs Nicklaus' accomplishment.
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@majorrage said in GOAT:
@chester-draws said in GOAT:
For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.
Mickleson kind of tore that one up ….
Hard to go past Brady for me.
Yeah Brady and Federer, and at some point in the not so distant future, LeBron, are right up there.
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Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.
The Greatest
So are you saying the GOAT across all sports? Certainly agree for longevity.
Yeah pretty much, in my eyes. That has put him above Jordan for me.
Stupidly subjective but it blows me away what he has achieved. 30 years after winning his first Pipe.
Blows my mind
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Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.
The Greatest
So are you saying the GOAT across all sports? Certainly agree for longevity.
Yeah pretty much, in my eyes. That has put him above Jordan for me.
Stupidly subjective but it blows me away what he has achieved. 30 years after winning his first Pipe.
Blows my mind
Massive span. The only thing really hanging over him is surfings' claim as a major sport. It's still a bit of a niche sport and many would put it in the same category as skate boarding.
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Kelly slater won pipe yesterday two weeks shy of his 50th birthday.
The Greatest
So are you saying the GOAT across all sports? Certainly agree for longevity.
Yeah pretty much, in my eyes. That has put him above Jordan for me.
Stupidly subjective but it blows me away what he has achieved. 30 years after winning his first Pipe.
Blows my mind
Massive span. The only thing really hanging over him is surfings' claim as a major sport. It's still a bit of a niche sport and many would put it in the same category as skate boarding.
I think it is massively popular as a "sport" in terms of numbers but not in terms of competitive comps? (I don't really know but think I read somewhere it had huge numbers in NZ which surprised me) I also think I read/heard somewhere there are more Surfers than Skiers/Snowboarders? I can't back any of that up though
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@hooroo i wouldn't be surprised just based off there has to be significantly more surfable beaches than ski fields and you can surf a lot more of the year...and i believe there are a lot more and or bigger cities near coasts (think harbours) than mountains
It does get very confusing with these sports/activities that have an aspect where you can do it on your own, removing a lot of the competition. The number of people that will go down the local park to "play rugby/football/cricket" on their own would be pretty small...where as skiing and surfing i would guess its the other way around, the competition aspect would be smaller than the casual one
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@hooroo none of that would surprise me. Surfing would be a lot more accessible than skiing or boarding: less gear required, you don't have to pay to use beaches or drive for hours to reach one as most of us live near a coast and you can surf year-round if you're keen enough. I'm often surprised when someone mentions they went for a surf (currently trying to recall the unlikely individual who said so just this past week) so it's more popular as a leisure activity than I would have expected. But it's still what I'd consider a fringe or minority sport, with the major allure for mine being Flick Palmateers' ass on IG rather than as a spectator sport.
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@hooroo none of that would surprise me. Surfing would be a lot more accessible than skiing or boarding: less gear required, you don't have to pay to use beaches or drive for hours to reach one as most of us live near a coast and you can surf year-round if you're keen enough. I'm often surprised when someone mentions they went for a surf (currently trying to recall the unlikely individual who said so just this past week) so it's more popular as a leisure activity than I would have expected. But it's still what I'd consider a fringe or minority sport, with the major allure for mine being Flick Palmateers' ass on IG rather than as a spectator sport.
Agree on all the above.
I enjoy watching it all the same.
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@majorrage said in GOAT:
@chester-draws said in GOAT:
For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.
Mickleson kind of tore that one up ….
Hard to go past Brady for me.
Yeah Brady and Federer, and at some point in the not so distant future, LeBron, are right up there.
Not Brady for me. Stafford is currently showing how important the team is in NFL --so while he's GOAT of NFL, I wouldn't put him up there in all time GOAT.
The reach of the sport is critical to me, which means unfortunately that a Soccer player is probably a candidate. Basketball more than NFL/MLB/NHL - again due to accessibility.
Maybe Zatopek for his magic effort?
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The GOAT Mt Rushmore of my lifetime is Slater, Jordan, Tiger Woods and Brady.
Slater winning Pipe at basically 50 is fucking ridiculous. Surfing is more a young man's game than nearly anything. And Pipe is the most famous comp in the sport. To win Pipe at his age is hard to comprehend.
Brady stuck up competition leading numbers at 44. Slater won Pipe at 50. The fuck am i doing with my life?
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@mariner4life mt rushmore is actually a great way to do it, too hard to pick just one, also too hard to argue with the choices
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I recognise the obvious; Slater is widely regarded as the best surfer of his generation. I also recognise that it's entirely a subjective sport.
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@majorrage said in GOAT:
@chester-draws said in GOAT:
For longevity, Jack Nicklaus. He won a major aged 46, and that in a major sport.
Mickleson kind of tore that one up ….
Hard to go past Brady for me.
Yeah Brady and Federer, and at some point in the not so distant future, LeBron, are right up there.
Not Brady for me. Stafford is currently showing how important the team is in NFL --so while he's GOAT of NFL, I wouldn't put him up there in all time GOAT.
The reach of the sport is critical to me, which means unfortunately that a Soccer player is probably a candidate. Basketball more than NFL/MLB/NHL - again due to accessibility.
Maybe Zatopek for his magic effort?
I was speaking of longevity.
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@antipodean said in GOAT:
I recognise the obvious; Slater is widely regarded as the best surfer of his generation. I also recognise that it's entirely a subjective sport.
yes, things become interesting with things like judging every wave being different
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@mariner4life said in GOAT:
The GOAT Mt Rushmore of my lifetime is Slater, Jordan, Tiger Woods and Brady.
Slater winning Pipe at basically 50 is fucking ridiculous. Surfing is more a young man's game than nearly anything. And Pipe is the most famous comp in the sport. To win Pipe at his age is hard to comprehend.
Brady stuck up competition leading numbers at 44. Slater won Pipe at 50. The fuck am i doing with my life?
Very US centric of you.
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See @MN5 has mentioned cricket GOATs Bradman and Tendulkar, but being @MN5 seems to have overstepped the mark, managed to miss the point and get deleted...
... but when you're considering GOATs you've got to consider these two.
Cricket is a fucking HUUUGE sport in terms of support because India...
Bradman first obviously. Tendulkar some way behind.
Bradman obviously not our lifetime, but Tendulkar worth consideration.
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Maybe football could be considered too.
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Ali
Transcended his sport
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I never saw Pele, but his videos are all over you tube, the guy was a magician. Maradona scored the best goal I think I've ever seen in a WC game (soon after scoring one of the most infamous). He made the whole England team look like pub players
Messi and Ronaldo obviously deserve mentions of the current crop. The only knock on Messi would be his lack of international major trophy success
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Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.
Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team. -
Nadal
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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.
Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team.Kim Jong-un?
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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.
Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team.No one likes a show off.
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Phil Taylor. 16 world championships, plus carried far more weight to height than most of the above mentioned, 19 stones of dart-pushing momentum on a 5 foot 8 or so frame. Heavier than 6"6' Anthony Joshua at his flabbiest peak.
Edit: I guess my cryptic point is it would be interesting and useful to have some meta-criteria so out there "sports" like darts are considered or not on an equal footing...
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@nostrildamus said in GOAT:
Phil Taylor. 16 world championships, plus carried far more weight to height than most of the above mentioned, 19 stones of dart-pushing momentum on a 5 foot 8 or so frame. Heavier than 6"6' Anthony Joshua at his flabbiest peak.
Edit: I guess my cryptic point is it would be interesting and useful to have some meta-criteria so out there "sports" like darts are considered or not on an equal footing...
That's an interesting point. Someone once said Damon Hill was the greatest development driver he had ever seen in Formula One, who could tune a good car into a truly great one better than anyone, but was an average racing driver.
That's a great skill, but is it a truly sporting skill?
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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.
Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team.If we're talking about achievements across a variety of sport, the CB Fry must get a mention. International cricketer, 94 first class centuries including 6 on the trot, world long jump record holder, England international footballer, FA Cup finalist, a handy first class rugby player (Blackheath). More importantly he was asked to become King of Albani but turned it down.
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@catogrande said in GOAT:
If we're talking about achievements across a variety of sport, the CB Fry must get a mention. International cricketer, 94 first class centuries including 6 on the trot, world long jump record holder, England international footballer, FA Cup finalist, a handy first class rugby player (Blackheath). More importantly he was asked to become King of Albani but turned it down.
And Denis Compton. That era seemed to have a number of people like that - Martin Donnelly as well who played Test rugby for England (who were poaching even then.....
)In the modern era, Jeff Wilson and Andy Ripley spring to mind.
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Steve Redgrave? Gold medals at 5 consecutive Olympics (and a bronze) plus 9x World Champs.
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See @MN5 has mentioned cricket GOATs Bradman and Tendulkar, but being @MN5 seems to have overstepped the mark, managed to miss the point and get deleted...
... but when you're considering GOATs you've got to consider these two.
Cricket is a fucking HUUUGE sport in terms of support because India...
Bradman first obviously. Tendulkar some way behind.
Bradman obviously not our lifetime, but Tendulkar worth consideration.
Not quite sure what I did but you’ve pretty much made whatever point I was going to make…..I’m not entirely sure Tendulkar was the absolute best of his generation though let alone ever. 200 tests is a wonderful effort though.
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@mikethesnow said in GOAT:
Ali
Transcended his sport
Plus fought EVERYONE, didn’t duck a single top fighter of his era, not perfect though, he still lost to Norton and Frazier relatively early in his career ( but then Foreman destroyed both of them who Ali beat )
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Ronnie O'Sullivan is up there for me too
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My top ten would be (in no particular order)
Slater
Jordan
Nicklaus
O'Sullivan
Bradman
Brady
Hamish Bond (Massive Bias there)
Gretsky
Lance Armstrong
(Space for one other as I ponder it)
Max Woosnam - Wikipedia
