All Blacks 2022
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan Oh geez, I hit a nerve! Sorry haha.
Just amused that you discount the record run and beating the Crusaders at home so easily. Dalton not having an illness requiring surgery and a dry track and I think we take that game.
But I forget about your Cantab one eye sometimes.
Um. I don't think Dalton and a dry track would have fixed the lineouts. That was a convincing win.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
I think we need more than that to our game plan.A ten that can control a game, for example. The fact that RM can't do that with the arm chair ride he got for 65mins is pretty damning.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
Southern Hemsiphere teams and Northern Hemisphere refs aren't a happy combo.
Interesting analysis
you dont think its fair? the NH and SH definitely seem to interpret the rules differently
Without the breakdown of whether a NH or SH was reffing a particular match it's impossible to determine that
dont we have at least a good feel for that? the vast majority of super rugby games are reffed by SH refs
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan Oh geez, I hit a nerve! Sorry haha.
Just amused that you discount the record run and beating the Crusaders at home so easily. Dalton not having an illness requiring surgery and a dry track and I think we take that game.
But I forget about your Cantab one eye sometimes.
Um. I don't think Dalton and a dry track would have fixed the lineouts. That was a convincing win.
IMO, it would have opened the game up and reduced the number of lineouts. I'm not arguing that it wasn't a convincing win, but it's obvious the conditions played a factor and enabled the Crusaders to play to their strengths. My evidence? Look at the game with the same teams in Christchurch - where we could impose our strengths.
It's also obvious that Dalton's injury had a huge impact on the team, he was the form flanker of the competition by some distance.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan Oh geez, I hit a nerve! Sorry haha.
Just amused that you discount the record run and beating the Crusaders at home so easily. Dalton not having an illness requiring surgery and a dry track and I think we take that game.
But I forget about your Cantab one eye sometimes.
Um. I don't think Dalton and a dry track would have fixed the lineouts. That was a convincing win.
IMO, it would have opened the game up and reduced the number of lineouts. I'm not arguing that it wasn't a convincing win, but it's obvious the conditions played a factor and enabled the Crusaders to play to their strengths. My evidence? Look at the game with the same teams in Christchurch - where we could impose our strengths.
It's also obvious that Dalton's injury had a huge impact on the team, he was the form flanker of the competition by some distance.
Ok that is a reasonable explanation, so it is a possibility but I don't share your conviction it would be likely.
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The year in summary as per me
Won 8, lost 4, drew 1
Best Performance: South Africa 2 because it was a little unexpected, and we were fucking smart at the death
Worst Performance: Argentina in Christchurch the worst result, but i have never seen an AB team so outplayed as South Africa 1. They were never a chance, and if anything that last try made the scoreline reflect the game, no matter how it came about.Finds: Sami T, Lomax, de Groot.
Biggest Improvers: S Barrett. A Savea. D Papali'i (at the end of the year at least)
Should be Worried About Their Spots: BBarrett, D Havili, S Cane,Brightest Green Shoots: The forward play at the back end was excellent. Direct and Brutal. The makings of a good midfield has been fallen in to.
Areas of Concern: Depth outside the top maybe 18 players. The play at 10. The quality of our outside backs. Leadership and discipline. Giving up 20+ points every week.The year gets a pass mark from me. Some average results and average rugby mixed in with some great rugby and great results. Some areas of improvement, some ex-problem areas that have been fixed. Other problem areas now highlighted with no obvious fixes. We've got a pretty handy starting 15 but she's a little bare behind that to be honest. And we will continue to be beatable if we cannot control a game for 80. Being reliant on inspiration and not control will always lead to variable results.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
The year in summary as per me
Won 8, lost 4, drew 1
Best Performance: South Africa 2 because it was a little unexpected, and we were fucking smart at the death
Worst Performance: Argentina in Christchurch the worst result, but i have never seen an AB team so outplayed as South Africa 1. They were never a chance, and if anything that last try made the scoreline reflect the game, no matter how it came about.Finds: Sami T, Lomax, de Groot.
Biggest Improvers: S Barrett. A Savea. D Papali'i (at the end of the year at least)
Should be Worried About Their Spots: BBarrett, D Havili, S Cane,Brightest Green Shoots: The forward play at the back end was excellent. Direct and Brutal. The makings of a good midfield has been fallen in to.
Areas of Concern: Depth outside the top maybe 18 players. The play at 10. The quality of our outside backs. Leadership and discipline. Giving up 20+ points every week.The year gets a pass mark from me. Some average results and average rugby mixed in with some great rugby and great results. Some areas of improvement, some ex-problem areas that have been fixed. Other problem areas now highlighted with no obvious fixes. We've got a pretty handy starting 15 but she's a little bare behind that to be honest. And we will continue to be beatable if we cannot control a game for 80. Being reliant on inspiration and not control will always lead to variable results.
Man you obvisoulsy didn’t watch the semi in 2019, we only scored by a fluke!
I’ll agree with most of your assessments, tho Ardie has improved he’s certainly not a biggest improver being the ABs best for quite a few years. I’d put Scott Barrett in there, he’s a better player than BBBR and SW now IMO
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
tho Ardie has improved he’s certainly not a biggest improver being the ABs best for quite a few years
i disagree. 12 months ago his strengths only barely outweighed some pretty obvious weaknesses
This year his strengths have actually got better, have tangible reward, and he has actually strengthened some of his weaknesses. I think he is a much bigger asset in a test than he was 12 months ago.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
tho Ardie has improved he’s certainly not a biggest improver being the ABs best for quite a few years
i disagree. 12 months ago his strengths only barely outweighed some pretty obvious weaknesses
This year his strengths have actually got better, have tangible reward, and he has actually strengthened some of his weaknesses. I think he is a much bigger asset in a test than he was 12 months ago.
Yup, there is a lot of people here that agree with you. But I don’t haha, player’s player from the ABs is pretty high prasie, and I agree with them.
Either way, he’s fucken awesome ATM!
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
I think we need more than that to our game plan.Related to the fitness thing, we need to have officials prepared to call teams out on their bullshit injury stoppages at every break in play.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
I think we need more than that to our game plan.A ten that can control a game, for example. The fact that RM can't do that with the arm chair ride he got for 65mins is pretty damning.
Yeah although no armchair ride in the last 10 when we lost it.
You could also point to Reikos neck roll cost us 7 points and the game or Jordies missed conversion .
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
I think we need more than that to our game plan.A ten that can control a game, for example. The fact that RM can't do that with the arm chair ride he got for 65mins is pretty damning.
Yeah although no armchair ride in the last 10 when we lost it.
You could also point to Reikos neck roll cost us 7 points and the game or Jordies missed conversion .
My point is his poor performances are often laid at the feet of a struggling forward pack. We were dominating England so hard up front they chickened out of a scrum and took a lineout.
Under minimal pressure he missed touch twice from penalty touch finders, and didn't allow us to turn that pressure into field position and potentially more points. If he can't do it with front foot ball, then of course he can't went things aren't going our way.
Someone made a very funny point to me, we might as well have played RTS at 10, because all RM did was run straight and sidestep people to get over the advantage line. The rest of flyhalf game was truely terrible.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
I think we need more than that to our game plan.A ten that can control a game, for example. The fact that RM can't do that with the arm chair ride he got for 65mins is pretty damning.
Yeah although no armchair ride in the last 10 when we lost it.
You could also point to Reikos neck roll cost us 7 points and the game or Jordies missed conversion .
My point is his poor performances are often laid at the feet of a struggling forward pack. We were dominating England so hard up front they chickened out of a scrum and took a lineout.
Under minimal pressure he missed touch twice from penalty touch finders, and didn't allow us to turn that pressure into field position and potentially more points. If he can't do it with front foot ball, then of course he can't went things aren't going our way.
Someone made a very funny point to me, we might as well have played RTS at 10, because all RM did was run straight and sidestep people to get over the advantage line. The rest of flyhalf game was truely terrible.
I see nothing funny here
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Anyone else reminded of the Blues first round loss to the Hurricanes this year? Played the game at very high speed, blitzed the opposition frequently on attack, dominant clean out and ball carrying, but ran out of gas and conceded about 20 points in the last 10 minutes. Also used subs late and all at once ...
Hope we are building to the kind of performances Schmidt got out of the Blues this year.
The problem with that is we used to always win that way as we were fitter.
But now teams can cope with that fast game and are finishing over the top of us.
I think we need more than that to our game plan.A ten that can control a game, for example. The fact that RM can't do that with the arm chair ride he got for 65mins is pretty damning.
Yeah although no armchair ride in the last 10 when we lost it.
You could also point to Reikos neck roll cost us 7 points and the game or Jordies missed conversion .
My point is his poor performances are often laid at the feet of a struggling forward pack. We were dominating England so hard up front they chickened out of a scrum and took a lineout.
Under minimal pressure he missed touch twice from penalty touch finders, and didn't allow us to turn that pressure into field position and potentially more points. If he can't do it with front foot ball, then of course he can't went things aren't going our way.
Someone made a very funny point to me, we might as well have played RTS at 10, because all RM did was run straight and sidestep people to get over the advantage line. The rest of flyhalf game was truely terrible.
Big problem then because BB sure can’t do it.
D Mac is flakey and is prone to major brain fades and runs across field.
Perefeta maybe but he needs to move SR teams as he won’t get a chance at 10 for the Blues,Leaves Gatland who can kick us around the park.
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@Marty I see BOK was at least moving Ireland along when they were trying to slow things at line outs yesterday having a huddle before walking up and throwing...but it's the 'injuries' before set peices that need to be looked at to deal with slow play more as they are using a stoppage for further time to reset, adjust and slow opposition momentum in most cases.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim I'd rather go with the kind of performance Robertson got out of the Crusaders in the SRP final.
You crack me up Stargazer. You're like Mark Nicholas, the Englishman that absolutely loves all things Aussie cricket. Or Stephen Jones and his love of English rugby. You're not from Christchurch, but your bedroom is decked out in red and black flags with life sized posters of Richie Mo'unga and David Havili on the wall.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks 2022:
Southern Hemsiphere teams and Northern Hemisphere refs aren't a happy combo.
Interesting analysis
you dont think its fair? the NH and SH definitely seem to interpret the rules differently
Without the breakdown of whether a NH or SH was reffing a particular match it's impossible to determine that
dont we have at least a good feel for that? the vast majority of super rugby games are reffed by SH refs
URC now has the SA refs
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@MiketheSnow yeah, but i think this goes back before that and so NOW SH might not be the best term but i think super rugby regions v NH comps seems to be different, thought that was pretty accepted, obviously not
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@MiketheSnow yeah, but i think this goes back before that and so NOW SH might not be the best term but i think super rugby regions v NH comps seems to be different, thought that was pretty accepted, obviously not
True, but when you break down the numbers there are always going to be more NH and SA refs compared with NZ, Aus and Argentinian
So the prevailing ‘style’ will be biased in that direction at Test level
