Hurricanes vs Highlanders
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@gt12 said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
Is Sangster injured? Kid has been great so better send him to the stands.
Edit: they are going to be tiny if they lose Delaney.
IIRC Prinsep went into lock last week. But your point still stands.
Howden would offer some height and size off the bench.
As to the Highlanders, I know that Brown said that both Fijian wingers were projects but Coombes-Fabling starting over either, or even Punivai (injured?), is a big surprise. I can't remember him playing on the left wing before.
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
Where's all the Canes fans bitching about the team nearly being correct except for 12?
12, loose forwards, wing
That's my issue, it really makes no sense. Seems if someone plays well they get dropped. -
@crucial you obviously haven't read the thread.
All of Iose, Goosen, PUJ and Flanders should be starting. Those guys along with Love, Sullivan and Ardie, are the reason we came back against the Blues, yet Holland still decides to stick with impactless players like Prinsep, Kirifi, Proctor etc.
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I not sure about some of Cane's selections, Proctor over PUJ, I actually don't get that upset over as I still waiting to be convinced about how good PUJ is. And I actually thought Savea wasn't all that bad at 12 last week, not a keeper or anything, but he didn't really do much wrong, and probably in a couple of carries bent tha line a bit. I think Goosen desrves to still be there, but I not shouting house down over it. In forwards personally I would have Flanders over Prinsep, and I a real Iose fan, have siad so for last couple of years, but I not sure I would start him at 7 , so maybe has to be a bench player for now, He actually much like Ardies as aplayer. I take it Love will go to 15 when JB comes off, and JGB to 10?
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@foobanz said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@crucial can't tell if you're trolling or just didn't read the thread lol.
The whole thread is us moaning about Holland and his selections.
Well some of it is, I might pick differently, but I not part of caoching staff, and surely don't claim to know more about game plan etc to say too much.
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@canes4life he's such a muppet.
This "trusting people to do a job" crap is nonsensical
Pick the players who we know CAN do the job, or at the least, have a lot of upside (ie R Love and the young loosies)
Princep, Blackwell etc can do a job, but it's a decidedly average job which will never win a title.
Does Holland want the Canes to be average? Or does he want to try and win a comp?
His acceptance of mediocrity sucks.
such an idiot and it's a shame no one else in the Canes setup seems to care
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@foobanz I guess the only ones that care are the likes of PUJ, Iose and Flanders who must be thinking wtf do we have to do to get a start. I will be pissed if they all decided to move at the end of the year because of this idiot.
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@dan54 the problem I have with PUJ is they always drop him and never give him a run.
J Savea has been good. He should definitely be in the 23 but personally I wouldn't start him over PUJ at 12 or Goosen on the wing
You don't need to play Iose at 7, Ardie can play there
I was a Kirifi fan (I remember him killing Wainui in the final for Norths a few years back) but he gives away too many penalties.
I just think there are better loose forward options
Even Gibson is unlucky to make the 23 I think he was strong last week
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@dan54 genuine question - what game plan have you observed from the Canes the first few weeks?
week 1 if the plan was to kick the ball to Jordan, and try and beat the Saders up front, they sure did follow it well. Not a very good plan though.
When they gave that away we were much more threatening
week 2 I thought the Blues controlled the ball for the most part, so didn't give us much of a chance to play with it. When we did have it, we were deadly
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@foobanz said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@crucial can't tell if you're trolling or just didn't read the thread lol.
The whole thread is us moaning about Holland and his selections.
Not trolling just being sarcastic. Every Canes match selection results in an uproar about selection.
None of you admit that he got it right with the bench mixture last week. Maybe it was deliberate to finish the stronger team. Risky move but it paid off.
(Edit: @Winger gives him alittle credit in a fewposts time sohe's not included in this comment)
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@foobanz said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@crucial can't tell if you're trolling or just didn't read the thread lol.
The whole thread is us moaning about Holland and his selections.
Not trolling just being sarcastic. Every Canes match selection results in an uproar about selection.
None of you admit that he got it right with the bench mixture last week. Maybe it was deliberate to finish the stronger team. Risky move but it paid off.
So he got it wrong for 65 mins and got it right for 15? That still sounds a lot like getting it wrong,
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@foobanz said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@crucial can't tell if you're trolling or just didn't read the thread lol.
The whole thread is us moaning about Holland and his selections.
Not trolling just being sarcastic. Every Canes match selection results in an uproar about selection.
None of you admit that he got it right with the bench mixture last week. Maybe it was deliberate to finish the stronger team. Risky move but it paid off.
I think you're kind of missing the point. Our bench won it because most of them should be starting.
I don't think selecting a weak 15 to rely on your bench to win it every week is the right idea. We were behind by heaps and were lucky to win that. Blues ran out of gas.
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@foobanz said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@crucial can't tell if you're trolling or just didn't read the thread lol.
The whole thread is us moaning about Holland and his selections.
Not trolling just being sarcastic. Every Canes match selection results in an uproar about selection.
None of you admit that he got it right with the bench mixture last week. Maybe it was deliberate to finish the stronger team. Risky move but it paid off.
Lol he didn't get it right because I doubt scoring 3 tries in the last ten minutes was part of the plan. For 65+ minutes the Hurricanes failed to fire any real shot against the Blues.
We only won because the players he continuously neglects came on and showed why they should be starting. That's where the selection frustration comes in every week. Holland seems to pick his mediocre favourites, over form.
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I'm not saying that he got it right. Absolutely 3 tries to win is not the position you want to be in. Blues players hadn't played much footy in a very long time. Good chance that they would weaken.
However, what I never see acknowledged is that this is a season that requires player management and that it is also a 23 man game that can involve strategy around subs.
It isn't always a case of putting out your best XV and put the next best on the bench. It has been proven that doing that ends up with a compromised team by the pointy end of the season. -
Delany is 1.94. Blackwell 1.90. 2 short locks. Even so will be good to see how Delany goes. Don't really rate him (too short for a great lock and too slow for a 6)
It seems now that if Blackwell, Proctor, Julian and Prinsep are fit 9/10 they will start. Even playing out of position. There is the odd exception like week 1 (Prinsep didn't start). I don't see Proctor as a 2nd 5 but still. They won last week so will give Holland some leeway. But I thought this was one game where the Canes would start as favourites but not now
Maybe Im wrong again though. As I was last week when I saw the team
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@crucial we're not saying to pick the exact same 15 each week, but Holland has favourites, and unfortunately, they're not very good - yet he goes with them week in and week out
Play guys like Princep against the Force, not in the top 15
He also never settles on key positions, the halves & midfield change each week