Old AB teams discussion
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@ACT-Crusader upvote for Brown at 3.
But Bunce at 12? Wasn't he a centre?
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@KiwiMurph Topically heard the first half of this while driving this afternoon.
NZ Sporting History: The 1995 RWC Final in South Africa
This week in NZ Sporting history we go back to 1995 when a 36 strong All Black team is in South Africa for the World Cup. It was the first major sporting event in the country since the end of apartheid. Nelson Mandela was president. But things didn't goes as planned for planned for the All Blacks...
Didn't get as far as Suzygate before I reached my destination, but according to Lozza he had a cunning plan all along
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@nzzp said in Old AB teams discussion:
@ACT-Crusader upvote for Brown at 3.
But Bunce at 12? Wasn't he a centre?
Bunce very first test match for the ABs was at 2nd 5, but all of his other ones were at centre.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Old AB teams discussion:
@nzzp said in Old AB teams discussion:
@ACT-Crusader upvote for Brown at 3.
But Bunce at 12? Wasn't he a centre?
Bunce very first test match for the ABs was at 2nd 5, but all of his other ones were at centre.
Good old Laurie thinking Little was a centre. No wonder they lost to the World XV.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Clear reasons are all well and good as long as they are correct
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Clear reasons are all well and good as long as they are correct
Well Cullen ( and bear in mind I’m talking about a guy who is literally the only choice in an all time XV for me ) had lost some pace after the knee surgeries.
I also found Mitchell somewhat of a weird fellow when interviewed…..but he made a tough call and stuck to it.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
I’m not I’m just using one example and even the biggest fans ( of which I was one ) have to admit he wasn’t the player he was.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
I’m not I’m just using one example and even the biggest fans ( of which I was one ) have to admit he wasn’t the player he was.
To engage you in your one example, even if he wasn't the player he was he was still the best 15 in the country in 2003. France managed to get performances out of Blanco after he wasn't the player he was.
Quite frankly Mitchell got lucky with the Blues centre after early trying a Blues winger at fullback.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
I’m not I’m just using one example and even the biggest fans ( of which I was one ) have to admit he wasn’t the player he was.
To engage you in your one example, even if he wasn't the player he was he was still the best 15 in the country in 2003. France managed to get performances out of Blanco after he wasn't the player he was.
Quite frankly Mitchell got lucky with the Blues centre after early trying a Blues winger at fullback.
Yeah but Cullens whole game relied on extreme pace and mobility which he didn’t quite have anymore. It’s debatable whether that version of Cullen was better than MacDonald/Blair. Fully fit from a couple of years back ? No contest.
I’m not defending Mitchell but I can see his point.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
I’m not I’m just using one example and even the biggest fans ( of which I was one ) have to admit he wasn’t the player he was.
To engage you in your one example, even if he wasn't the player he was he was still the best 15 in the country in 2003. France managed to get performances out of Blanco after he wasn't the player he was.
Quite frankly Mitchell got lucky with the Blues centre after early trying a Blues winger at fullback.
Yeah but Cullens whole game relied on extreme pace and mobility which he didn’t quite have anymore. It’s debatable whether that version of Cullen was better than MacDonald/Blair. Fully fit from a couple of years back ? No contest.
I’m not defending Mitchell but I can see his point.
That's revisionist mate. Cullen was still one of the two best FBs in NZ, if not the best that year. I remember at one presser John Mitchell tried to explain that CC used poor technique when running with ball in hand, which was a ridiculous way to seemingly try to humiliate him
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
I’m not I’m just using one example and even the biggest fans ( of which I was one ) have to admit he wasn’t the player he was.
To engage you in your one example, even if he wasn't the player he was he was still the best 15 in the country in 2003. France managed to get performances out of Blanco after he wasn't the player he was.
Quite frankly Mitchell got lucky with the Blues centre after early trying a Blues winger at fullback.
Yeah but Cullens whole game relied on extreme pace and mobility which he didn’t quite have anymore. It’s debatable whether that version of Cullen was better than MacDonald/Blair. Fully fit from a couple of years back ? No contest.
I’m not defending Mitchell but I can see his point.
That's revisionist mate. Cullen was still one of the two best FBs in NZ, if not the best that year. I remember at one presser John Mitchell tried to explain that CC used poor technique when running with ball in hand, which was a ridiculous way to seemingly try to humiliate him
Yes at the time the way he said it was bullshit but I’m sure I read excerpts of his book where he explained his reasoning and it made ( a bit ) more sense.
When does the final start ? I don’t want people thinking I love Mitchell.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
I’m not I’m just using one example and even the biggest fans ( of which I was one ) have to admit he wasn’t the player he was.
To engage you in your one example, even if he wasn't the player he was he was still the best 15 in the country in 2003. France managed to get performances out of Blanco after he wasn't the player he was.
Quite frankly Mitchell got lucky with the Blues centre after early trying a Blues winger at fullback.
Yeah but Cullens whole game relied on extreme pace and mobility which he didn’t quite have anymore. It’s debatable whether that version of Cullen was better than MacDonald/Blair. Fully fit from a couple of years back ? No contest.
I’m not defending Mitchell but I can see his point.
That's revisionist mate. Cullen was still one of the two best FBs in NZ, if not the best that year. I remember at one presser John Mitchell tried to explain that CC used poor technique when running with ball in hand, which was a ridiculous way to seemingly try to humiliate him
Yes at the time the way he said it was bullshit but I’m sure I read excerpts of his book where he explained his reasoning and it made ( a bit ) more sense.
When does the final start ? I don’t want people thinking I love Mitchell.
Yeah, no one likes a dirty Mitchell fanbois 😁
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
I’m not I’m just using one example and even the biggest fans ( of which I was one ) have to admit he wasn’t the player he was.
To engage you in your one example, even if he wasn't the player he was he was still the best 15 in the country in 2003. France managed to get performances out of Blanco after he wasn't the player he was.
Quite frankly Mitchell got lucky with the Blues centre after early trying a Blues winger at fullback.
Yeah but Cullens whole game relied on extreme pace and mobility which he didn’t quite have anymore. It’s debatable whether that version of Cullen was better than MacDonald/Blair. Fully fit from a couple of years back ? No contest.
I’m not defending Mitchell but I can see his point.
That's revisionist mate. Cullen was still one of the two best FBs in NZ, if not the best that year. I remember at one presser John Mitchell tried to explain that CC used poor technique when running with ball in hand, which was a ridiculous way to seemingly try to humiliate him
Mitchell is just a C### amd a complete joke. . Cullen was the greatest full back in the history of the game IMHO.
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@mencey said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
I’m not I’m just using one example and even the biggest fans ( of which I was one ) have to admit he wasn’t the player he was.
To engage you in your one example, even if he wasn't the player he was he was still the best 15 in the country in 2003. France managed to get performances out of Blanco after he wasn't the player he was.
Quite frankly Mitchell got lucky with the Blues centre after early trying a Blues winger at fullback.
Yeah but Cullens whole game relied on extreme pace and mobility which he didn’t quite have anymore. It’s debatable whether that version of Cullen was better than MacDonald/Blair. Fully fit from a couple of years back ? No contest.
I’m not defending Mitchell but I can see his point.
That's revisionist mate. Cullen was still one of the two best FBs in NZ, if not the best that year. I remember at one presser John Mitchell tried to explain that CC used poor technique when running with ball in hand, which was a ridiculous way to seemingly try to humiliate him
Mitchell is just a C### amd a complete joke. . Cullen was the greatest full back in the history of the game IMHO.
Concur
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2023:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2023:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2023:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2023:
@Bones The win % says more than the total number of wins.
He's no Laurie Mains, but everyone's gotta have goals.
John Mitchell done so dirty by that graphic
Foster seems like a guy a little out of his depth, Mitchell has always seemed like a KHunt. So not done dirty at all in my book.
At least Foster's players genuinely seem to be fond of him. Not sure any of Mitch's players would lay on a grenade for him. I dislike the man for clear reason. His only redeeming feature is that he has a son that plays cricket for NZ and does it very well
He gave some pretty clear reasons for why he dropped Cullen but by Christ they went down like a shit sandwich.
I guess that comes down to was a case of was a 80% Cullen as good as 100% MacDonald/Blair ?
……so many on here have had a go at Foster for NOT dropping guys that are that tiny bit past it so it kinda proves you can’t win as an AB coach no matter what you do.
Not sure why you're implying the problem with Mitchell was merely Cullen (and yes his reasoning was utter b/s).
I’m not I’m just using one example and even the biggest fans ( of which I was one ) have to admit he wasn’t the player he was.
To engage you in your one example, even if he wasn't the player he was he was still the best 15 in the country in 2003. France managed to get performances out of Blanco after he wasn't the player he was.
Quite frankly Mitchell got lucky with the Blues centre after early trying a Blues winger at fullback.
Yeah but Cullens whole game relied on extreme pace and mobility which he didn’t quite have anymore. It’s debatable whether that version of Cullen was better than MacDonald/Blair. Fully fit from a couple of years back ? No contest.
I’m not defending Mitchell but I can see his point.
That's revisionist mate. Cullen was still one of the two best FBs in NZ, if not the best that year. I remember at one presser John Mitchell tried to explain that CC used poor technique when running with ball in hand, which was a ridiculous way to seemingly try to humiliate him
...... I want people thinking I love Mitchell.
FIFY
