Chat GPT
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Look at how Google ignores women in sporting questions. There has been big publicity and campaigns about the bias to male athletes/sports.
Yet we constantly hear that google is 'woke'
It's just programmed poorly.It can be both. You have to ignore a lot of evidence to end up with them being not woke.
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Look at how Google ignores women in sporting questions. There has been big publicity and campaigns about the bias to male athletes/sports.
Yet we constantly hear that google is 'woke'
It's just programmed poorly.It can be both. You have to ignore a lot of evidence to end up with them being not woke.
I have already given one example that seems to go against the argument that Google is 'woke'. Here is another
Our study looked at the top 25 Google Image results in each country to gather the percentage of female representation for the search term ‘CEO’. We took this dataset and compared it against data from the International Labor Organisation (ILO) who report the approximate real-life percentage of women in senior managerial roles. One slight change had to be made for Russia as they do not use Google, so we swapped their image representation for Yandex (their search engine equivalent).
What did the study reveal?
Overall, the ILO reports that women represent an average of just under a third (31.3%) of the world’s senior business leaders, however, Google Images showed only around 11.9% for the search term ‘CEO’. The European countries we analysed were: UK, Netherlands, Norway and Malta. In addition to those, outside of Europe the study collected data on the USA, Colombia, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Japan, New Zealand, South Africa, India, UAE and Canada.
New study shows Google ignoring women in business - EU Business News
If you search for images of women in business on Google you would have to clarify the female gender. If you search for ‘entrepreneur’ or ‘successful business person’ almost all of the images are of men. There is a problem.
Now if Google was deliberately 'woke' (such a dumb word to use in a serious discussion btw) then surely it wouldn't come up with patriarchal answers?
Simple answer is that it works in/makes assumption in areas of majority first. Just as most of the examples about AI seem to.
Writes like a human, thinks like a machine.
This kind of sums things up if you don't look for conspiracy.
Everybody has discussed this before; ChatGPT shows discriminatory bias against women and minority groups. The reason behind this is that the AI gets information from the sources without having the ability to distinguish if it’s biased or offensive. ChatGPT isn’t the first AI model to show this; for example, many users have noticed that sometimes the algorithm of a famous social media platform shows race preferences when users post pictures. But back to ChatGPT, they’re currently working on that problem by diversifying the data and references given to the model.
If that bolded statement is accurate then the AI is the opposite of woke.
Seems like the output isn't perfect no matter where on the potical spectrum you sit.
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@Crucial Like I said, you have to ignore the evidence on the other side to make that point stick.
If you don't like the short hand of woke, substitute leftist activist employees. If you don't think they exist you have been lving under a rock.
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@Crucial Like I said, you have to ignore the evidence on the other side to make that point stick.
If you don't like the short hand of woke, substitute leftist activist employees. If you don't think they exist you have been lving under a rock.
Show the proof to the effect they are directly having as it doesn't appear like they are doing a good job
Look I totally get that any company/organisation will have values that influence their recruitment whether by design or accident and it is well researched that 'creative' industries tend to a liberal view. I get that will show through by design in AI depending on feed.Implying that there is a conspiracy of radical thinkers deliberately trying to influence mass views by stealth is a concept that requires more evidence than 'here's an example' because there are other examples that seem to show otherwise.
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@Crucial Like I said, you have to ignore the evidence on the other side to make that point stick.
If you don't like the short hand of woke, substitute leftist activist employees. If you don't think they exist you have been lving under a rock.
Show the proof to the effect they are directly having as it doesn't appear like they are doing a good job
Look I totally get that any company/organisation will have values that influence their recruitment whether by design or accident and it is well researched that 'creative' industries tend to a liberal view. I get that will show through by design in AI depending on feed.Implying that there is a conspiracy of radical thinkers deliberately trying to influence mass views by stealth is a concept that requires more evidence than 'here's an example' because there are other examples that seem to show otherwise.
I'm not doing your googling for you, there are plenty of examples. Look for ones that don't feed your own bias.
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@Crucial Like I said, you have to ignore the evidence on the other side to make that point stick.
If you don't like the short hand of woke, substitute leftist activist employees. If you don't think they exist you have been lving under a rock.
Show the proof to the effect they are directly having as it doesn't appear like they are doing a good job
Look I totally get that any company/organisation will have values that influence their recruitment whether by design or accident and it is well researched that 'creative' industries tend to a liberal view. I get that will show through by design in AI depending on feed.Implying that there is a conspiracy of radical thinkers deliberately trying to influence mass views by stealth is a concept that requires more evidence than 'here's an example' because there are other examples that seem to show otherwise.
I'm not doing your googling for you, there are plenty of examples. Look for ones that don't feed your own bias.
Another good discussion goes down the tubes with a silly comment.
Stop arguing for good debate then failing to engage sensibly and making accusations. -
@Crucial Like I said, you have to ignore the evidence on the other side to make that point stick.
If you don't like the short hand of woke, substitute leftist activist employees. If you don't think they exist you have been lving under a rock.
Show the proof to the effect they are directly having as it doesn't appear like they are doing a good job
Look I totally get that any company/organisation will have values that influence their recruitment whether by design or accident and it is well researched that 'creative' industries tend to a liberal view. I get that will show through by design in AI depending on feed.Implying that there is a conspiracy of radical thinkers deliberately trying to influence mass views by stealth is a concept that requires more evidence than 'here's an example' because there are other examples that seem to show otherwise.
I'm not doing your googling for you, there are plenty of examples. Look for ones that don't feed your own bias.
Another good discussion goes down the tubes with a silly comment.
Stop arguing for good debate then failing to engage sensibly and making accusations.This isn't a good debate, I'm not here to google links for you. There is a mountain of reporting on left wing bias in tech firms, fill your boots.
For this topic, the evidence is in the results being censored.
I'm pleased it's being so publically demonstrated, so there is a chance they can fix it. Ironically, this might have been censored on Twitter before Elon took over.
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Exclusive: The $2 Per Hour Workers Who Made ChatGPT Safer
A TIME investigation reveals the difficult conditions faced by the workers who made ChatGPT possible
This goes into detail about the scope of the manual human element, and shows exactly where the current problem is - the tool used to filter toxic content. However they set that up will bias the system, so trigger on Trump not Biden for example - even though they both have similar classified document scandals (another chatGPT example).
Also provides detail of the human cost of these sorts of teams, Facebook, etc have them too, where have to look at depraved stuff all day every day until they break.
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nothing to see here, move along, move along..
What’s the deal with Twitch's 'Seinfeld' parody AI and why was it banned?
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and maybe if we want a human-like AI we'll have to put up with some unexpected or unwanted results, this is nothing new:
Twitter taught Microsoft’s AI chatbot to be a racist asshole in less than a day
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More examples popping up now, can write poems pro veganism but not pro omnivore.
Pro black, Latino, Asian poems but not pro white.
Has been poisoned with politics.
Interesting article and comments here.
ChatGPT is not politically neutral
Since its launch last Wednesday, the AI language model ChatGPT has attracted more than a million users, scores of opinion pieces, and some very well-founded concerns. The chatbot may be among the most sophisticated of its kind, and was developed by OpenAI, the tech company — which was also behind...
Strangely I read the titled piece and find that the examples used to display bias are factual. Sure there may be other opinions out there that either aren’t part of the learning experience of the AI but the AI also doesn’t answer as if those views don’t exist eg “majority of scientists….” type comments
Any AI will only parrot and analyse the source information it has and give weight to a majority conclusion.This has a curated level with manual intervention. It’s interesting to read up on how this works.
It’s unfortunate that they have decided to bake in bias, instead of the usual inadvertent bias.
Can you link to some info on that? Not arguing that it isnt the case, just wondering what the curation and 'baked in' part is.
I've listened to various podcasts from AI researchers, talking about how the training models work. If you google for the team that wrote this you'll get more detail too, it's super interesting.
In short they feed in data to train the neuro engine (175 billion items from memory for this one), then a team help fine tune the connections it makes. This is a necessary part of it learning, unfortunately they have leaned too hard into political "protection" and people are poking holes in it.
Microsoft gone burned the last time they released one of these, where the bot turned racist in a few hours, so it's understandable, they just need to dial back the woke silliness.
For example, the latest example is they give it a scenerio where the only way to disarm a nuclear bomb is utter a racist slur, and no one will hear it, but it will save millions of lives.
ChapGPT says it's never acceptable to utter the slur, even with when it will cost those lives. They have broken part of it's logic...
Yeah that nuclear bomb thing is a bit concerning, in that it looks like in the future we will be using AI to do a lot of low level stuff but it obviously lacks, for want of a better phrase, common sense to make the right decision. Especially if they are wanting to make sure it as the "correct opinions" on certain topics.
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@No-Quarter yep, it’s why it’s important to publicly discuss this silliness.
Saw a Bing demo with this today, search is about to drastically improve.
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How will they be able to monetise this as a search engine if it isn't using paid ads like Google?
Also has anyone had a look at the Vivaldi browser?
It will be part of Bing, so ads. Also will be integrated into MS365, so subscription model also.
They are about to make stupid money. Google has 93% of search traffic. Even if Bing only improves to 20% it’s a huge amount of cash.
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Huge contrast to the MS demo which looked awesome. Google are clearly playing catch up so it doesn’t look like they are being left behind, ended being worse than showing nothing.
Ever since they put the bean counters in charge, Google have been far less interesting.
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The rise of SkyNet continues. This is ridiculous - I put in a bunch of technical questions related to my expertise this morning and it was bloody impressive. This is going to remove so many of the frustrating pain points of doing work in a modern business.
