Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc
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The problem with the Eden Park replacement options are that the replacement options have been totally ridiculous.
A stadium on a wharf, a sunken stadium, a stadium on a footprint too small with roads and railways crisscrossing it.
No wonder they've stayed at EP. Which is a perfectly OK (rugby) stadium anyway.
The (huge) sale potential of EP likely wouldn't cover even the groundworks on those ridiculous options. And then 2 of the 3 would come with huge ongoing maintenance overheads.
If someone had recommended something feasible. Like Victoria Park. Then something might have happened.
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I like Eden Park (have some great memories watching games there, including the last AB loss on the ground), but I would be perfectly happy if they built a downtown stadium too. So, I'm not really adding anything to the debate.
But I'd hope the new one would be called Eden Park too.
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If you want fancy municipal baubles. Then you need a local government that has stamp duty.
E.g. An average of a 10k stamp duty on a house sale. For Auckland last year would have diverted about $200million per annum to the council. Away from banks, Real Estate Agents.
Better than an annual rates rise of 20% after you've paid that money to the RE Agents/Vendors and agreed to pay the bank interest on (a multiple of 5 to 6x) it for 20 to 30 years ...
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@Rapido $10k
stamp duty on our place in melbourne was $80k
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@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Rapido $10k
stamp duty on our place in melbourne was $80k
Yes, Average in NSW and VIc is both about 50k at moment.
That is a shedload of potential municipal funds that NZ instead diverts to mortgage interest to Australian banks or German cars for RE Agents.
You'd be loving it over there. All those tunnels, roads and stadiums needing civil engineering ....
You should come home. So you can engineer just the repairing of the broken pipes on the smell of an oily rag out of the rates base.
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@frugby said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
If they just build the new rectangular stadium, build a proper cricket ground, and everyone gets a much better viewing experience.
Rectangular stadia for rugby are top tier. Dunedin, Hamilton, North Harbour are excellent viewing experiences.
As an Aucklander it pains me to say it, but the Tron has the best combo of rugby and cricket grounds in the country ... and walking distance from (what's left of) their CBD.
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@Rapido said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Rapido $10k
stamp duty on our place in melbourne was $80k
Yes, Average in NSW and VIc is both about 50k at moment.
That is a shedload of potential municipal funds that NZ instead diverts to mortgage interest to Australian banks or German cars for RE Agents.
** You'd be loving it over there. All those tunnels, roads and stadiums needing civil engineering ....**
You should come home. So you can engineer just the repairing of the broken pipes on the smell of an oily rag out of the rates base.
keeping me employed
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@frugby said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
If they just build the new rectangular stadium, build a proper cricket ground, and everyone gets a much better viewing experience.
Rectangular stadia for rugby are top tier. Dunedin, Hamilton, North Harbour are excellent viewing experiences.
You don't need a new ground for that
The proposals for new stadiums basically have three steps;
- Build a new moderate sized specialist cricket ground
- Build a new rectangular stadium
- Knock down Eden Park
I don't think many people disagree on step one. So why not:
- Build a new moderate sized specialist cricket ground
- Make Eden Park into a rectangular stadium by building a single new stand
That seems a lot more realistic and has the bonus of not throwing away a bunch of history
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@Duluth said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Make Eden Park into a rectangular stadium by building a single new stand
Thing is, concerts are now the big money earner for EP. It ain't sports. 6 big concerts a year probably generates more revenue than all the sport that goes on.
So a rectangular stadium could decrease capacity for that ... probably not by much, but it would be a consideration
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Duluth said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Make Eden Park into a rectangular stadium by building a single new stand
Thing is, concerts are now the big money earner for EP. It ain't sports. 6 big concerts a year probably generates more revenue than all the sport that goes on.
So a rectangular stadium could decrease capacity for that ... probably not by much, but it would be a consideration
If they'd built a stadium at Quay Park or Carlaw Park they could have had as many concerts as they liked....
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@Rapido said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Kiwiwomble said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Rapido $10k
stamp duty on our place in melbourne was $80k
Yes, Average in NSW and VIc is both about 50k at moment.
That is a shedload of potential municipal funds that NZ instead diverts to mortgage interest to Australian banks or German cars for RE Agents.
You'd be loving it over there. All those tunnels, roads and stadiums needing civil engineering ....
You should come home. So you can engineer just the repairing of the broken pipes on the smell of an oily rag out of the rates base.
Bro, it's not all roses over here, unlike most cities where piston wristed gibbons drive 4 wheel drives they don't need, in NSW roading budgets appear not to include maintenance, so they're actually a sound investment.
But you do feel quite futuristic being the one car driving in the new Westconnex tunnels before taking up a second job later that week to pay the tolls.
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@Duluth said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@frugby said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
If they just build the new rectangular stadium, build a proper cricket ground, and everyone gets a much better viewing experience.
Rectangular stadia for rugby are top tier. Dunedin, Hamilton, North Harbour are excellent viewing experiences.
You don't need a new ground for that
The proposals for new stadiums basically have three steps;
- Build a new moderate sized specialist cricket ground
- Build a new rectangular stadium
- Knock down Eden Park
I don't think many people disagree on step one. So why not:
- Build a new moderate sized specialist cricket ground
- Make Eden Park into a rectangular stadium by building a single new stand
That seems a lot more realistic and has the bonus of not throwing away a bunch of history
It all costs money though. I know they have done it in NSW, but what is the business case to make Eden Park rectangular? Are we going to get more events, or is it just going to make watching rugby better?
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@Godder said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
If stadiums made money, private investors would build them.
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I don't personally have a problem with councils building stadiums, even big ones - it's an amenity that adds to the vibe of a city. I just wish everyone would stop pretending there's an economic argument in New Zealand and admit that they are being built because we want the ability to watch live shows and sport at big stadiums.As tyres keeping getting kicked, this still seems relevant.
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@Duluth said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Yup not that old in years but itās the part of the stadium that most needs an upgrade. The large lounge in particular which is meant to be another source of income
Sounds like a refurb needed not a rebuild of an entire stand
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@KiwiMurph fundamental problems with the layout means it doesnāt handle crowds. It isnāt great for watching sport from either. Should be more similar to the Balcony bar on the south stand (but longer)
I was a member of that lounge and attended almost every rugby and/or cricket match for a decade. So got to know the problems
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@Kirwan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@canefan said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@MajorRage Auckland is a mess. Typically Kiwi that we have no cohesive plan for the city's sports grounds. We have a bunch of middling venues that serve similar purpose, but we don't have an international class cricket or rugby code ground
There are vested interests on Council who are fanatical Eden Park supporters. Yet one of the proposals (the sunken stadium one) proposes that the Eden Park Trust board is made the owners or majority shareholders of the new stadium (in exchange for selling off their land to pay for the new stadium). Nope, they still wonāt budge. Eden park is their baby.
Good. No need to throw away Eden Park for some half backed waterfront stadium idea
Most of the downtown CBD is reclaimed land actually. This āleakageā argument is rubbish. The land the āsunken stadiumā will be in will be reclaimed land like the rest of the waterfront. I note Britomart underground station never leaked during last years floods.
Having said that I think Quay park is the best option.
