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@kirwan at the risk of further exciting your ire, National campaigned that they wouldn't raise GST.
Politicians say what polling tells them will win them votes and yeah I do point out the fact that the parties are broadly the same because if someone who knew nothing of the background was to read this forum they would think Labour was turning NZ into Cub. Whereas from a monetary policy perspective Cullen / English / Robertson has been a broad continuum. Although there are disquieting signs of more overt pressure on the independence of RBNZ.
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@dogmeat said in Housing hornets' nest:
@kirwan at the risk of further exciting your ire, National campaigned that they wouldn't raise GST.
Politicians say what polling tells them will win them votes and yeah I do point out the fact that the parties are broadly the same because if someone who knew nothing of the background was to read this forum they would think Labour was turning NZ into Cub. Whereas from a monetary policy perspective Cullen / English / Robertson has been a broad continuum. Although there are disquieting signs of more overt pressure on the independence of RBNZ.
Broadly, I don’t disagree for economic policy. Social policy is quite different but National don’t roll back Labour policy, so we get a gradual shift to left with either of them.
That doesn’t mean that criticism of the current government is invalid, or the nickname incorrect.
For a party that campaigned on reducing poverty, they sure are sticking it renters and car owners in Auckland.
Never saw petrol station queues on sale days before this mob got in power.
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@kirwan said in Housing hornets' nest:
@dogmeat said in Housing hornets' nest:
@kirwan at the risk of further exciting your ire, National campaigned that they wouldn't raise GST.
Politicians say what polling tells them will win them votes and yeah I do point out the fact that the parties are broadly the same because if someone who knew nothing of the background was to read this forum they would think Labour was turning NZ into Cub. Whereas from a monetary policy perspective Cullen / English / Robertson has been a broad continuum. Although there are disquieting signs of more overt pressure on the independence of RBNZ.
Broadly, I don’t disagree for economic policy. Social policy is quite different but National don’t roll back Labour policy, so we get a gradual shift to left with either of them.
That doesn’t mean that criticism of the current government is invalid, or the nickname incorrect.
For a party that campaigned on reducing poverty, they sure are sticking it renters and car owners in Auckland.
Never saw petrol station queues on sale days before this mob got in power.
Obviously haven't noticed before. Has happened for ages. Like this one during the Key govt. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/petrol-price-war-sparks-car-queues/VQGNNL2JRSJXS7RTWUIKWCGANU/
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@crucial said in Housing hornets' nest:
Huge difference between competition between companies in a one off sale, and the consistent increase of new tax.
Every Thursday there is a queue out into the road for petrol in what I consider a well off suburb. We've changed our habits to fill up on that day as well.
Gull is the cheapest around here, and that's $2.15 a litre most days. If you relied on a car to get to work, and made the average salary, then this is not insignificant.
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@kirwan said in Housing hornets' nest:
@crucial said in Housing hornets' nest:
Huge difference between competition between companies in a one off sale, and the consistent increase of new tax.
Every Thursday there is a queue out into the road for petrol in what I consider a well off suburb. We've changed our habits to fill up on that day as well.
Gull is the cheapest around here, and that's $2.15 a litre most days. If you relied on a car to get to work, and made the average salary, then this is not insignificant.
I was only responding to your odd statement.
So fuel companies run a strategy of bumping up on most days then having a sale day, people adjust their buying pattern to that sale day and somehow that is the govts fault?
If the price was constant over the week at say 2c more there would be no queues.
The 'well off suburb' comment means nothing. Some of the biggest penny pinchers I know are well off. My mother would spend $10 driving to save $11. Not because she has to.If your point is that the govt has added a fuel levy in Auckland that increases the cost of living then just say that. Queues at petrol stations have always happened and happen everywhere.
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
that the govt has added a fuel levy in Auckland that increases the cost of living then just say that
I'll say it - unfair taxation. Just like the rates in Ruapehu and certainly the super shitty.
I'm pleased about the demise of the DHBs for example. I know a DHB administrator and she was earning a lot more than I was as an airline Captain. It may have been justified, she may have saved lives, but a grumpy woman that sits behind a desk...We are a small country and a centralised government shouldn't be that hard to manage. It's not like we need a horse and cart to communicate anymore (well around here with internet speeds and metal roads it is).
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in Housing hornets' nest:
@dogmeat said in Housing hornets' nest:
@kirwan at the risk of further exciting your ire, National campaigned that they wouldn't raise GST.
Politicians say what polling tells them will win them votes and yeah I do point out the fact that the parties are broadly the same because if someone who knew nothing of the background was to read this forum they would think Labour was turning NZ into Cub. Whereas from a monetary policy perspective Cullen / English / Robertson has been a broad continuum. Although there are disquieting signs of more overt pressure on the independence of RBNZ.
Broadly, I don’t disagree for economic policy. Social policy is quite different but National don’t roll back Labour policy, so we get a gradual shift to left with either of them.
That doesn’t mean that criticism of the current government is invalid, or the nickname incorrect.
For a party that campaigned on reducing poverty, they sure are sticking it renters and car owners in Auckland.
Never saw petrol station queues on sale days before this mob got in power.
Obviously haven't noticed before. Has happened for ages. Like this one during the Key govt. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/petrol-price-war-sparks-car-queues/VQGNNL2JRSJXS7RTWUIKWCGANU/
Is that lead car an A55 or an A50? Either way it is a $150.00 penalty and probably demerit points for not wearing a seatbelt, unless there is only a lap belt fitted.
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in Housing hornets' nest:
@crucial said in Housing hornets' nest:
Huge difference between competition between companies in a one off sale, and the consistent increase of new tax.
Every Thursday there is a queue out into the road for petrol in what I consider a well off suburb. We've changed our habits to fill up on that day as well.
Gull is the cheapest around here, and that's $2.15 a litre most days. If you relied on a car to get to work, and made the average salary, then this is not insignificant.
I was only responding to your odd statement.
So fuel companies run a strategy of bumping up on most days then having a sale day, people adjust their buying pattern to that sale day and somehow that is the govts fault?
If the price was constant over the week at say 2c more there would be no queues.
The 'well off suburb' comment means nothing. Some of the biggest penny pinchers I know are well off. My mother would spend $10 driving to save $11. Not because she has to.If your point is that the govt has added a fuel levy in Auckland that increases the cost of living then just say that. Queues at petrol stations have always happened and happen everywhere.
Lived in the area a while and didn't see this behaviour before, as Snowy puts it, the unfair tax. You can twist and turn all you like about it, but it's a valid data point.
Especially when considering that more than 40% of the price at the pump is tax. It makes your comment about the companies bumping up the price ridiculous. Once a week they eat the tax increase.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in Housing hornets' nest:
@crucial said in Housing hornets' nest:
Huge difference between competition between companies in a one off sale, and the consistent increase of new tax.
Every Thursday there is a queue out into the road for petrol in what I consider a well off suburb. We've changed our habits to fill up on that day as well.
Gull is the cheapest around here, and that's $2.15 a litre most days. If you relied on a car to get to work, and made the average salary, then this is not insignificant.
I was only responding to your odd statement.
So fuel companies run a strategy of bumping up on most days then having a sale day, people adjust their buying pattern to that sale day and somehow that is the govts fault?
If the price was constant over the week at say 2c more there would be no queues.
The 'well off suburb' comment means nothing. Some of the biggest penny pinchers I know are well off. My mother would spend $10 driving to save $11. Not because she has to.If your point is that the govt has added a fuel levy in Auckland that increases the cost of living then just say that. Queues at petrol stations have always happened and happen everywhere.
Lived in the area a while and didn't see this behaviour before, as Snowy puts it, the unfair tax. You can twist and turn all you like about it, but it's a valid data point.
Especially when considering that more than 40% of the price at the pump is tax. It makes your comment about the companies bumping up the price ridiculous. Once a week they eat the tax increase.
It's the other way around. Happens all over the country and not just Auckland. Standard marketing and operational cost saving that has increased recently.
Encourage everyone to make their purchase in one day can mean a saving on staff. Doing a special on one day (or an extra discount for 'members') is a fake special (or maybe a 'not so special'). We have the same here. Our BP used to have a reasonably comparative price all week with the same discount. Now they offer cardholders an extra 4c off one day a week and the standard daily price is a little higher.
You don't seriously think they would drive all their business into one day at no profit? Pretty dumb move.
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Fuel levy was a response to years of government inaction on Auckland's transport infrastructure. It was that or a congestion charge or accept continually increasing issues with commute.
Personally I favoured a congestion charge as it only affects those that are helping create the issues i.e. if you live in the boonies or travel outside peak periods you don't pay. Seems more equitable.
@kirwan no sympathy for the oil companies. They're not going broke - yet. My brother works for one and is feeling hard done by because the company slashed his bonus to only just over $200K - cry me a river
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Fuel levy was a response to years of government inaction on Auckland's transport infrastructure. It was that or a congestion charge or accept continually increasing issues with commute.
Personally I favoured a congestion charge as it only affects those that are helping create the issues i.e. if you live in the boonies or travel outside peak periods you don't pay. Seems more equitable.
@kirwan no sympathy for the oil companies. They're not going broke - yet. My brother works for one and is feeling hard done by because the company slashed his bonus to only just over $200K - cry me a river
Never said I had any sympathy for oil companies.
The main point is that this government talks about helping poor people on one hand and takes direct action to make them poorer with the other.
If you are a renter on the average salary, live in Auckland and use a car to travel to work you life is harder under Labour.
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Perhaps if NZ had tax incentives like Norway 50-60% of motorists would stop complaining about the price of petrol..
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/norway-electric-cars-majority-sales/ -
@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/10/norway-electric-cars-majority-sales/
Perfect example of a policy that brings about real change. Our lot will probably tax the electric car more than normal and wonder why nobody buys them. But will feel good about it.
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@pakman said in NZ Politics:
Nanaia Mahuta
I saw this a little while ago and thought "How stupid". I've never heard of the fat sheila attempting to play international political games at the adults' table - as unimportant as she is - but I was amused by this accurate aside I read here today about her dimwittery:
"China’s communist regime celebrates Jacinda Ardern’s attempts to drift away from Five Eyes intelligence network – as Beijing heaps praise on the ‘cooperative’ New Zealand leader
It’s just as well that NZ is a completely inconsequential country, or this could be quite serious."
You blokes surely need to elect people into government who have some sort of maturity about them! You won't though.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in NZ Politics:
@pakman said in NZ Politics:
Nanaia Mahuta
I saw this a little while ago and thought "How stupid". I've never heard of the fat sheila attempting to play international political games at the adults' table - as unimportant as she is - but I was amused by this accurate aside I read here today about her dimwittery:
*"China’s communist regime celebrates Jacinda Ardern’s attempts to drift away from Five Eyes intelligence network – as Beijing heaps praise on the ‘cooperative’ New Zealand leader
It’s just as well that NZ is a completely inconsequential country, or this could be quite serious."*
You blokes surely need to elect people into government who have some sort of maturity about them! You won't though.
You're pretty hard to read these days Mick.
So just before you get a few new arseholes ripped, you may want to clarify if you're taking the piss or not?
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