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@dogmeat said in Add Fidel to the 2016 body count:
Don't want to get dragged into this truly bizarre pissing comp but Catholic Church more than likely outdoes all dictators of any political persuasion - combined.
Who here has actually been to Cuba?
Dictators by different name, and weirder clothes?
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@dogmeat said in Add Fidel to the 2016 body count:
Don't want to get dragged into this truly bizarre pissing comp but Catholic Church more than likely outdoes all dictators of any political persuasion - combined.
You're probably right, but I had a look and the Chinese are pretty bad historically - Mao was the worst numerically, but they seem to have a habit of serious civil wars and atrocities... Genghis Khan would be up there as well, especially in terms of percentages of populations, as he had a nasty habit of ordering the slaughter of entire cities of tens of thousands of people, including the women and children.
Pre-20th century, King Leopold II of Belgium is high on the list for his efforts in the Congo.
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No love for Ghengis or Kublai Khan in this thread?
FFS, the point Nepia was making (which was totally misconstrued) was that dictators are dictators and are bad despite political leanings. The absurdity of doing body counts to try and prove that the political leanings of dictators makes them seemingly more efficient killing machines is some of the stupidest shit posted.
It's like the stupidity of the Road Toll with an emphasis on the number of dead rather that the number of death causing accidents (ie one minivan with 5 people having one accident is supposedly worse than four separate accidents on the same stretch of road with one death in each)
What is worse? The actual number of bodies, the percentage of the persecuted group wiped out or the political cause and effect of the actions?
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@Crucial said in Add Fidel to the 2016 body count:
@booboo said in Add Fidel to the 2016 body count:
I was kind of thinking a better comparison was serial killers. Gays v Heterosexual. ie Dahmer v Bundy. Who was more evil ... ?
That obviously depends on which one voted Green.
Duh. Dahmer
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@Crucial said in Add Fidel to the 2016 body count:
@booboo said in Add Fidel to the 2016 body count:
I was kind of thinking a better comparison was serial killers. Gays v Heterosexual. ie Dahmer v Bundy. Who was more evil ... ?
That obviously depends on which one voted Green.
Which one? Clearly they both did.
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@Crucial said in Add Fidel to the 2016 body count:
No love for Ghengis or Kublai Khan in this thread?
FFS, the point Nepia was making (which was totally misconstrued) was that dictators are dictators and are bad despite political leanings. The absurdity of doing body counts to try and prove that the political leanings of dictators makes them seemingly more efficient killing machines is some of the stupidest shit posted.
Theres a strong element too that dictators have traditionally used whatever political slant will get them power then tossed it out the window in terms of how they actually governed, Saddam, Hitler, Stalin etc all ran on very different agendas to get in but then all very much ran the same way once in.
You could pick 10 top dictarors & the actions once in are very close, its the paths that vary. A lot of it is trendiness too, up to the 40's nationalism, was trendy as fuck, from there on communism became trendy, then Islam, now nationalism is back around. Any reasonably competent dictator can figure out what to be to get power.
Castro ran as a pro election democrat at first & suddenly declared himself a communist right after the US embargos hit & the Russians promised him oil for sugar cane deals to save his revolution. He was definately strongly left leaning, but his poltics were basically for sale for whoever would keep him in power.
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@NTA said in Add Fidel to the 2016 body count:
@gollum said in Add Fidel to the 2016 body count:
his poltics were basically for sale for whoever would keep him in power.
I think I heard about someone like that recently ....
Obama?
RIP 2017