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@baron-silas-greenback said in Brexit:
I find the activist naming a re-vote as a 'peoples choice' incredibly unsubtle propaganda.
The people already mnade a choice. Activists can name the revote as 'peoples choice' but it is obviously not actually about a peoples choiceIt's because activists don't really regard those who voted for Brexit as normal people. To them at best they are idiots who are too uneducated to make their own life decisions and need decisions made for them or at worst literal nazis...same mentality as those running the EU, a lack of introspection coupled with a hard-on for authoritarian control.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Brexit:
I find the activist naming a re-vote as a 'peoples choice' incredibly unsubtle propaganda.
The people already mnade a choice. Activists can name the revote as 'peoples choice' but it is obviously not actually about a peoples choice, it is about tantrums an 'do overs' until you get your own way. Remainers think of JRM as a teenager.. he is still more mature than the remainers who are acting like toddlers having a tantrumIf you actually followed what has been developing over the past few months you would understand that the 'people's choice' talk is about accepting May's deal not about re-running the original decision.
Apart from a few hard core remainers most people have accepted the position and the concern is now how to make it happen without causing great damage. Conversely there are 'Leave means leave' campaigners who still seem to think that closing the gates and walking away is a viable option that won't cause great damage. They are being fed by the likes of BJ and JRM who tell them that all papers, analysis and studies into the effects of a no deal walk away are lies funded by remainers yet have not come up with any studies or plans of their own that prove otherwise.The point I was making about the legal challenges to the original referendum is that in the unlikely event that the result was annulled it would at least offer an ability to re-run properly with clear agendas in place on what is doable and in what time frames and place the UK in a stronger position to negotiate. The process that was followed has proved to be a fuck up and an opportunity to have the time over again may be good. It was simply a discussion point rather than a personal desire.
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People are getting fearful of how much a no-deal (or even a shit-deal) Brexit is going to really devalue their lives. Even if 5% of the negativity written by the scare mongering media is true, it's not great.
It's pretty easy to say we are better off out, but very different when your job potentially hinges on it. That position relates to my entire company and many of my pals in the city. Most of us are in the "fortunate" bucket, many people have switched from the fortunate to the unfortunate before, and nobody is immune in a situation like this.
Like others, I'm not convinced that a re-vote would have a different outcome. But many are, and many people who potentially stand to lose a lot are pushing the train. Reality is that what Farage/Johnson sold to the country, is not one of the two options left on the table at this point in time. The fact we got here is the colossal clusterfuck, of which many people, including Farage/Johnson must take a fair share of the blame.
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@majorrage said in Brexit:
Reality is that what Farage/Johnson sold to the country, is not one of the two options left on the table at this point in time. The fact we got here is the colossal clusterfuck, of which many people, including Farage/Johnson must take a fair share of the blame.
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Watch David Lammy’s barnstorming speech to the Commons on Brexit
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@mikethesnow said in Brexit:
Watch David Lammy’s barnstorming speech to the Commons on Brexit
Where were these impassioned speeches in early 2016 before the vote? It's a shame Britain voted out (I voted remain) but it's done now and it needs to be implemented as best it can be. The amount of time-wasting about "having another go" is a huge distraction. Democracy doesn't only apply when you get the result you want.
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@mikethesnow said in Brexit:
Watch David Lammy’s barnstorming speech to the Commons on Brexit
Where were these impassioned speeches in early 2016 before the vote? It's a shame Britain voted out (I voted remain) but it's done now and it needs to be implemented as best it can be. The amount of time-wasting about "having another go" is a huge distraction. Democracy doesn't only apply when you get the result you want.
Isn't that what most of those who matter are trying to do?
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@mikethesnow said in Brexit:
Watch David Lammy’s barnstorming speech to the Commons on Brexit
Where were these impassioned speeches in early 2016 before the vote? It's a shame Britain voted out (I voted remain) but it's done now and it needs to be implemented as best it can be. The amount of time-wasting about "having another go" is a huge distraction. Democracy doesn't only apply when you get the result you want.
Isn't that what most of those who matter are trying to do?
Yes, mostly. I was referring the speech directly, which while a cracking bit of rhetoric is missing the point IMO.
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It’s like there’s a game on to see how many ways they can fuck this up. Impressive.
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@catogrande Game of Brexit...carnage everywhere, there is a plot line but it keeps getting changed and no one knows how it will end.
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@taniwharugby said in Brexit:
@catogrande Game of Brexit...carnage everywhere, there is a plot line but it keeps getting changed and no one knows how it will end.
Shame the death rate isn’t the same
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@catogrande said in Brexit:
@taniwharugby said in Brexit:
@catogrande Game of Brexit...carnage everywhere, there is a plot line but it keeps getting changed and no one knows how it will end.
Shame the death rate isn’t the same
Ha well if you read some of the brexit hysteria coming from msm you'd be excused for think the death rate was about to skyrocket
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Prime Minister delays Brexit deal vote until she’s finished writing her CV
December 10, 2018
Written by Lucas WildeTheresa May hasn’t finished polishing her Curriculum Vitae yet, and will be delaying the Brexit vote until she does.
Knowing damn well that she’s going to be out of a job roughly six seconds after John Bercow bellows “the nays have it”, the Prime Minister wants to make sure she looks as attractive as possible to future employers.
Mrs May’s secretary, Simon Williams, said, “Yes, of course men can be secretaries, you judgmental bastard.
“Anyway…yes, Theresa is very keen for her CV to be as impressive as possible. She’s covered it in pink glitter and everything.
“The ‘Employment History’ section is proving a little tricky as she’d rather not talk about her time as Home Secretary or her time as Prime Minister, so she’s just put ‘gap year’ between the years 2010 and 2018.
“I’m not sure running through wheat fields counts as a hobby either, but she was too frightened to put anything else in the ‘outside interests’ section.
“Under ‘personal achievements’, she’s written ‘haven’t shot Michael Gove’, which is admittedly very impressive.”
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May’s dance of desperation isn’t finding any partners. Europe is preparing for a no deal exit.
Europe entrenched in the position of “this is the best possible deal, take it or leave it” which would have been their plan all along. Negotiate a crap deal then give UK the option to back out.
The no deal exit is not supported in parliament either and anyone claiming they could get a better deal is dreaming.
Options remaining are a second referendum, a new election and pass the poison chalice to Labour or a no deal exit.
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Scarily brilliant
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She does a great Andy Serkis impression
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