Censorship and the Mosque Shooting
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@canefan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Kirwan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Kirwan who has said that? I may have missed that.
SammyC was saying it's not a big issue, some of his reasons were fine (who buys books from Whitcoulls anymore anyway) some leaned more towards the book wasn't important anyway.
The principle is the important thing not the content of the book, and banning a book (and taking adavatage of a tragedy like this to justify it) is just repugnant IMO.
The book isn't banned is it. Whitcoulls made a commercial decision not to sell it. I am sure you can buy it elsewhere, and are free to choose not to shop at Whitcoulls based on their decision
Yep, both actions I'll be taking. I don't support companies that virtue signal on the back of a tragedy , and I do support people that actually are trying to help people.
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@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
It's some amazing advertising for the book.
I tried reading a borrowed copy of the book about six months ago and put it down after the first chapter. It bored me to tears. However, I just purchased a copy from Unity books to put back on the bedside table. Thought $40 was a bit steep but it's worth it.
Kinda different tone dont ya think?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback message is the same. The book is fucking boring. Doesn't mean I won't revisit it or that others find it life changing. Good for them.
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@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?
For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.
I found the book boring because I realized I am so awesome that I didn't have to listen to any of it.
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I personally gained a huge amount from the book but even so I did struggle at times reading it (I worry that modern tech might have messed with my attention span on serious books). I have a few mates who bought it but also bought the audio book and found that worked much better for them. Heard a nice anecdote the other day of a bloke who is a massive JP fan tries to get his deadbeat drug addict mate into it but there was no way getting him to read it or sit through a 3 hour podcast, instead got him Akira The Don's JPBwave albums which mixes JP's message with lofi hiphop (perfect background music for room cleaning!). Apparently this did the trick, from the music he got into the podcasts and the lecture series and apparently turned his life around.
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@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
The photo that Whitcoulls apparently refers to for the removal of the book from their shelves.
Not stirring here, honest.
But could a Jordan Peterson fan tell me why he would take a photo with a guy wearing a t-shirt saying I'm a Proud Islamaphobe?
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It feels a bit more blatant than when he got pictured with those guys with the Pepe picture. He must have people coming through at a rate of knots for pictures and meet and greets. But it does seem a bit surprising that this wasn't noticed, not sure if he has anyone helping out - or if he practices any kind of censorship of iffy visual messaging. If it was noted ahead of the photo being taken I don't know to make of it.
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It's a fair question but there is a lot unknown about this picture.
He's at the end of an extremely long tour and has a brief 15 seconds with each fan of the hundreds that pay large amounts to meet him.
He may not have noticed and it could be a screwup of whomever is running the tours. It's also possible that this is a regressive lefty or an alt-right agitator (both groups despise him) trying to set him up. It could be a genuine fan who is a bit screwed up, if Peterson was to just berate him what would that do to the individual? He's a very compassionate man he may have showed compassion in the hopes to pull the guy out of it.
The other aspect to consider is what exactly is wrong with that shirt. Sure in the wake of the massacre it seems attrocious but remember there is no such word as christianophobic, many reject islamophobic as a term entirely. Phobic means irrational fear, well as un PC as it is to say it after the Christchurch event there are plenty of very rational reasons to fear Islam and many of them are mentioned on that shirt and supported in the Qur'an itself.
In hindsight I'm sure he probably wished he'd told him to cover it up, hell maybe even lend his jacket or something but in the moment you can make the wrong move.
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
The photo that Whitcoulls apparently refers to for the removal of the book from their shelves.
Not stirring here, honest.
But could a Jordan Peterson fan tell me why he would take a photo with a guy wearing a t-shirt saying I'm a Proud Islamaphobe?
The small print?
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Peterson was a fool to let himself be photographed with someone wearing a t shirt like that. Its entirely their choice but its an odd book to pick to stop stocking though, I would have started with these ones.
https://www.whitcoulls.co.nz/product/full-auto-volume-1-ar-15-modification-manual-978087947061637931
https://www.whitcoulls.co.nz/product/navy-seal-shooting-978194378700537931
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
The photo that Whitcoulls apparently refers to for the removal of the book from their shelves.
Not stirring here, honest.
But could a Jordan Peterson fan tell me why he would take a photo with a guy wearing a t-shirt saying I'm a Proud Islamaphobe?
My honest answer to that is who cares? There's pictures of Obama with Louis Farrakhan, who is openly anti-Semitic referring to Jewish people as termites. Does that make Obama anti-Semitic? Should people demand shops stop stocking Obama's books? Fuck no, that would be absurd. And so is this.
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@jegga it's a slippery slope alright...
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@No-Quarter said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
The photo that Whitcoulls apparently refers to for the removal of the book from their shelves.
Not stirring here, honest.
But could a Jordan Peterson fan tell me why he would take a photo with a guy wearing a t-shirt saying I'm a Proud Islamaphobe?
My honest answer to that is who cares? There's pictures of Obama with Louis Farrakhan, who is openly anti-Semitic referring to Jewish people as termites. Does that make Obama anti-Semitic? Should people demand shops stop stocking Obama's books? Fuck no, that would be absurd. And so is this.
My short answer is Whitcoulls.
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@No-Quarter said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
The photo that Whitcoulls apparently refers to for the removal of the book from their shelves.
Not stirring here, honest.
But could a Jordan Peterson fan tell me why he would take a photo with a guy wearing a t-shirt saying I'm a Proud Islamaphobe?
My honest answer to that is who cares? There's pictures of Obama with Louis Farrakhan, who is openly anti-Semitic referring to Jewish people as termites. Does that make Obama anti-Semitic? Should people demand shops stop stocking Obama's books? Fuck no, that would be absurd. And so is this.
My short answer is Whitcoulls.
Well, it looks like Whitcoulls were pressured by radical lefties to stop selling the book and decided they'd just bow to their wishes. So it is people that are intolerant of others views that care, and I'd like to see the general public tell those people where to go (like we do with Family First for example when they try to get books banned).
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@No-Quarter said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@No-Quarter said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
The photo that Whitcoulls apparently refers to for the removal of the book from their shelves.
Not stirring here, honest.
But could a Jordan Peterson fan tell me why he would take a photo with a guy wearing a t-shirt saying I'm a Proud Islamaphobe?
My honest answer to that is who cares? There's pictures of Obama with Louis Farrakhan, who is openly anti-Semitic referring to Jewish people as termites. Does that make Obama anti-Semitic? Should people demand shops stop stocking Obama's books? Fuck no, that would be absurd. And so is this.
My short answer is Whitcoulls.
Well, it looks like Whitcoulls were pressured by radical lefties to stop selling the book and decided they'd just bow to their wishes. So it is people that are intolerant of others views that care, and I'd like to see the general public tell those people where to go (like we do with Family First for example when they try to get books banned).
To be clear, and as I stated above, this decision by Whitcoulls in my view is absolutely idiotic.
The thing is though, if you are going to get your photo taken with your arm around a dude wearing that t-shirt, there may be repercussions further down the line, if thats not what your ideology is really about.
As pointed out by others, there are many many other books which should be tinned before this one. But he's probably the most high profile author, and therefore the easiest target. We can go on and on and on about the radical left as much as we want, but they exist (hell I'm closely related to one) and they aren't going anywhere. Islamaphobia is THE hot topic at the moment, unfortunately for all the wrong reasons. It's a bloody easy virtual signal for Whitcoulls to do this when that picture exists.
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What a ridiculous society we've become when we claim to judge a person because of a tee shirt he is standing next to for 5 seconds.
Think about the logic in that.
How the fuck is that an indication of anything? The virtue signalling about this is pathetic.
If this is a legitimate criteria for meamingfull judgement, then we're all going to lose
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@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
What a ridiculous society we've become when we claim to judge a person because of a tee shirt he is standing next to for 5 seconds.
Think about the logic in that.
How the fuck is that an indication of anything? The virtue signalling about this is pathetic.
If this is a legitimate criteria for meamingfull judgement, then we're all going to lose
Seriously, I don’t think many really disagree with you. But above is just not the point.
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
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@MajorRage said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
@Siam said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:
What a ridiculous society we've become when we claim to judge a person because of a tee shirt he is standing next to for 5 seconds.
Think about the logic in that.
How the fuck is that an indication of anything? The virtue signalling about this is pathetic.
If this is a legitimate criteria for meamingfull judgement, then we're all going to lose
Seriously, I don’t think many really disagree with you. But above is just not the point.
Question for JP supporters: Why is JP controversial?
He makes sense. That makes him a threat to extremists who have undue influence currently.