Should the Crusaders change their name?
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This is what I meant when I said this issue is at best divisive and will only build resentment towards Muslims, most of whom do not even care about the name of a bloody rugby team.
And it all started from media reporting anonymous twitter SJWs for clicks. There is nothing to be gained from this, and plenty to lose.
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@No-Quarter said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
This is what I meant when I said this issue is at best divisive and will only build resentment towards Muslims, most of whom do not even care about the name of a bloody rugby team.
And it all started from media reporting anonymous twitter SJWs for clicks. There is nothing to be gained from this, and plenty to lose.
“The clubs name has become a toxic symbol for many” really ? Who, who says it’s toxic?
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@SammyC said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Got a bunch of Facebook friends sharing the petition online.
Funny how they care so much about this, but don’t care enough to ever attend an actual game.
Because this looks like an actual contest
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.Mine is the red and black jacket with no name on it.
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Fuck this guy:
"The name-change pressure emerged because of the centuries-old sensitivity over the history of the Crusades, which were bloody medieval conflicts between Muslims and Christians.
"So these are really striking figures and what they tell us is that a very small proportion of New Zealanders understand the deep history of conflict between Muslims and Christians that the word Crusade means," historian Peter Lineham told TVNZ."
I don't think this result means Kiwis are uneducated; simply that many don't see the need to extend historical events to a rugby team. Treating the overwhelming majority as - I think they are trying to say - redneck racists (especially Cantabs & National voters) doesn't help at all.
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@Mokey said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
If they are going to go down the path of no ancient conflict or death, then what Super team names do hold up? Not Highlanders, Chiefs, Hurricanes, Rebels, Sharks, Stormers, Lions, Bulls, Jaguares, Sunwolves...
There’s a history of depression in my family, I’m triggered by the Blues . They should change their name too .
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@gt12 said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Fuck this guy:
"The name-change pressure emerged because of the centuries-old sensitivity over the history of the Crusades, which were bloody medieval conflicts between Muslims and Christians.
"So these are really striking figures and what they tell us is that a very small proportion of New Zealanders understand the deep history of conflict between Muslims and Christians that the word Crusade means," historian Peter Lineham told TVNZ."
I don't think this result means Kiwis are uneducated; simply that many don't see the need to extend historical events to a rugby team. Treating the overwhelming majority as - I think they are trying to say - redneck racists (especially Cantabs & National voters) doesn't help at all.
We're all a basket of deplorables.
Maybe there's a sizeable majority of NZers who understand that a word does not define a community attitude.
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@booboo or maybe the majority of people realise the Crusaders are a rugby team, with zero correlation to the Crusades 800 odd years back?
Am sure if we start thinking about it hard enough, there are links to all sorts of atrocities in our every day lives...
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I just think that if the Canterbury Muslim community finds the name offensive/divisive, let them put out a joint statement and say so and go from there. I'm getting sick of all these non-Muslims taking it upon themselves to decide what Muslims do/do not find offensive and what should/should not be changed.
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@Mokey said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
I just think that if the Canterbury Muslim community finds the name offensive/divisive, let them put out a joint statement and say so and go from there. I'm getting sick of all these non-Muslims taking it upon themselves to decide what Muslims do/do not find offensive and what should/should not be changed.
In fact quite the opposite, the only Muslim that went on record in a MSM article said he had no problem with the name
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@Paekakboyz said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
and I get that of course they would deny any pressure etc. But this does come across as bullshit - and it flies in the face of how things have been handled by all involved to date imo.
"How things have been handled", eh?
Like the immediate disappearing of media reports from a couple of years ago about one of the Christchurch targets being the last port of call for a couple of blokes en route to take up arms in the Middle East; placing an immediate embargo on distributing the murderer's writings, treating the populace as being as immature and unworldly as the opportunist in chief in her new headgear; saying and doing nothing about some representative loon preaching hatred of the Evil Juice in the streets of Auckland; the same fool welcoming one of Australia's best known apologists to visit, give her a hug and do a bit more marketing to nongs with soft heads; having the lackeys work the phones to have the media run a campaign to change the name of a rugby team which had nothing to do with what happened; and hijacking of the Aotea Square peace rally by activists asserting the murders were "a tragic consequence of New Zealand's failure to address racism", without speaking out to defend ordinary New Zealanders against the lie?