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With held. Get my drift?
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in The Folau Factor:
Or they are guys just towing the accepted line. Do you really want to be the guy that takes Fellows side?
I don't think people are afraid to support Folau here (btw I reckon we can move on from the mis-spelling joke now), or more to the point people are certainly unafraid to beat up Rugby Australia about all manner of things.
My feeling is that RA has the broad support of the rugby community here in the way they have acted, and they don't have that on many issues these days.
Certainly there are people who disagree, but in his actions post-sanction Folau has erased the small amount of goodwill he had left I reckon.
Next you'll be saying not to boo Quade
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@Kirwan said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in The Folau Factor:
Or they are guys just towing the accepted line. Do you really want to be the guy that takes Fellows side?
I don't think people are afraid to support Folau here (btw I reckon we can move on from the mis-spelling joke now), or more to the point people are certainly unafraid to beat up Rugby Australia about all manner of things.
My feeling is that RA has the broad support of the rugby community here in the way they have acted, and they don't have that on many issues these days.
Certainly there are people who disagree, but in his actions post-sanction Folau has erased the small amount of goodwill he had left I reckon.
Good luck with that, it’ll be years before people get sick of this. Some jokes having been going for 13 years here.
I blame Deans
(16 years)
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
With held. Get my drift?
Yes, I just want to know what bigoted views you have in your evil mind.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
With held. Get my drift?
Yes, I just want to know what bigoted views you have in your evil mind.
Only Veal, really.
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@SammyC said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
Why would fans rally behind RA? If they cared so much about this matter then why was Foongcha happily welcomed back into the fold last year?
Because he apologised, said he wouldn't do it again. People took him at face value and assumed he'd learnt his lesson.
Not only has he done it again, he's doubled down. He's refused to compromise, he's blocking calls from the coach, he's not answering his door when RA staff come to his house.
A section of the public may still be angry at RA, but I think there would be plenty of fans who would think that RA has taken a logical course of action given Folau's behaviour throughout this process.
Nice to hear the view of the general rugby public.
I don’t get the whole “it wasn’t in his contract thing”
Our firm recently updated our code of conduct to include pretty strict rules on posting political and religious views on social media. This was reviewed pretty comprehensively by our lawyers and circulated to staff via email.
Essentially it says if we post inflammatory stuff on social media it has to be with a disclaimer that this is our view and not that of our employer.
Nobody was required to sign anything, but as I understand it. It’s still enforceable.
I guess if Farlauaw takes this all the way then we'll find out whether this sort of thing is actually enforceable, or if it's a meaningless attempt by companies to try and control what their employees say to protect their brand.
I would prefer the letter.
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
I guess my question to those people is did they immediately want him sacked, or would a simple statement from RA saying his comments don't reflect their organisation have sufficed? If they'd just pointed out people are free to express their own beliefs and then moved on, would those same people be taking to social media to demand his contract be cancelled? Starting petitions etc?
It certainly wouldn't surprise me. It happened last time he did it. If RA just put out a statement like that I think it would have angered a lot of people, and certainly would affect the way Folau was supported by Tahs and Wallabies fans.
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Who’s going to stand up for us drunkards and fornicators?
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Ultimately beliefs including religious ones change over time and they should reflect societies norms and values. I'm pretty sure Christianity found the bible was ok with slavery as blacks were sinful etc etc. Once society no longer deemed slavery moral the church changed their interpretation of the bible.
I would like to believe society has now accepted that homosexuality is not a choice and is definitely not a sin. Therefore society no longer tolerates hateful discriminatory speech towards Homosexuals regardless if it was once interpreted that way. This is why you don't see every other religious celebrity shouting Gays are going to hell.
Folau would have to be stupid not to understand the implications of his actions.
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
He's refused to compromise, he's blocking calls from the coach, he's not answering his door when RA staff come to his house.
Probably as a result of legal advice considering he'd been told he was going to be sacked and then had to front a code of conduct hearing.
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
Ultimately beliefs including religious ones change over time and they should reflect societies norms and values. I'm pretty sure Christianity found the bible was ok with slavery as blacks were sinful etc etc. Once society no longer deemed slavery moral the church changed their interpretation of the bible.
I would like to believe society has now accepted that homosexuality is not a choice and is definitely not a sin. Therefore society no longer tolerates hateful discriminatory speech towards Homosexuals regardless if it was once interpreted that way. This is why you don't see every other religious celebrity shouting Gays are going to hell.
Folau would have to be stupid not to understand the implications of his actions.
You're speaking about a bloke that's given up a $4million contract to quote bible passages...
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@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
How would RA deal with it again hindsight?
Call it a potential breach of the code of conduct and that the parties would deal with it rather than state the outcome and hastily convene a mechanism to achieve it?
If this does progress as it certainly looks it will, one thing to keep in mind in the panel may have been looking at specifically whether his actions breached the code of conduct - not whether it itself has any force. It all depends on their brief.
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@antipodean said in The Folau Factor:
@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
Ultimately beliefs including religious ones change over time and they should reflect societies norms and values. I'm pretty sure Christianity found the bible was ok with slavery as blacks were sinful etc etc. Once society no longer deemed slavery moral the church changed their interpretation of the bible.
I would like to believe society has now accepted that homosexuality is not a choice and is definitely not a sin. Therefore society no longer tolerates hateful discriminatory speech towards Homosexuals regardless if it was once interpreted that way. This is why you don't see every other religious celebrity shouting Gays are going to hell.
Folau would have to be stupid not to understand the implications of his actions.
You're speaking about a bloke that's given up a $4million contract to quote bible passages...
Not just any bible passages. A stuff article reported that his religious themed social media posts have been on the increase over the last couple of years and no one at RA said a thing. He only crossed the line with two posts and that's how he finds himself in the position he's in. So RA have been tolerant of his views and his expression of those views.
I think i read that Polynesians make up 45% of RA players? Was that at rep or Super level and higher? Am I free to assume, because no one else has been called out like this, that all of those other players of faith have not seen fit to spread anti-social religious based views in public?
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@canefan I think because many of them have some sense of intelligence, that is they may think gays are going to hell but realise it is no longer socially acceptable to say things like that. They also are generally sending love messages, not hate. They often have passages on their arms and make a gesture to the sky, I have no issue with that, the issue is the hate and discrimination.
Without knowing anyone religious personally, I would assume many religious peoples views on homosexuality have drastically changed in the last 30 years. I think this is mainly due to all of us knowing many homosexuals personally(Who would have kept their sexuality hidden previously). Our relationships have shown us that gay people deserve to be treated fairly and without discrimination no matter a persons religion. My brother is gay and who is it for Folau to say he is going to hell, it is so arbitrary it is ridiculous and I feel sorry for anyone who cannot think freely for themselves.
In fact I listened to a podcast recently that said public opinion on homosexuality was one of the fasted changing public opinions ever. 30 years ago I think less than 10% were in favour of gay marriage, today it is close to 70% and that even includes the older generation. Apparently bias tests have also shown that unconscious bias has drastically dropped to a point they think in the next decade it will be negligible. Whereas racism, elder and sexism will take many years to eradicate.
Whilst RA may not have handled this case wonderfully I am happy they have sent a message saying discrimination and hate towards homosexuals will not be tolerated.
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Fool'ows contract had no relevant clauses in it due to the CBA with the players association. RAs hands were tied on that front
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
Fool'ows contract had no relevant clauses in it due to the CBA with the players association. RAs hands were tied on that front
If that's true then they should never have taken the chance. Foonpow could have looked Nessa from Gavin and Stacey right in the eyes and promised to be a good boy, but they should have done more due diligence. I reckon they wouldn't even have to scratch the surface to find out that his world view flies completely in the face of RA's inclusion policy.
Actually having recently taken a more in-depth look at Twitter I think any organisation should ban any employee who uses it. What an absolute sewer.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
Fool'ows contract had no relevant clauses in it due to the CBA with the players association. RAs hands were tied on that front
If that's true then they should never have taken the chance. Foonpow could have looked Nessa from Gavin and Stacey right in the eyes and promised to be a good boy, but they should have done more due diligence. I reckon they wouldn't even have to scratch the surface to find out that his world view flies completely in the face of RA's inclusion policy.
Actually having recently taken a more in-depth look at Twitter I think any organisation should ban any employee who uses it. What an absolute sewer.
They saw their best player and thought they could control it. Epically wrong. Twitter is the perfect vehicle for idiots who can't process information of more than 280 characters
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@antipodean said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
He's refused to compromise, he's blocking calls from the coach, he's not answering his door when RA staff come to his house.
Probably as a result of legal advice considering he'd been told he was going to be sacked and then had to front a code of conduct hearing.
All of that happened in the day after the tweet itself, before RA signalled their intent to sack him.
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
Folau would have to be stupid not to understand the implications of his actions.
That’s what they said about Joan Of Arc.
(‘cept he was a she.)
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions