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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Back to Politics ... she's gone.
Resigned effective 7th June
In some way it was a shame it wasn't just the few days earlier and the headline could have read "The end of May before the end of May".
Who is going to pick up the ball and run with it now though? A Brexiteer PM would seem to be the more likely but will he/she be able to sway the Commons to accept their option? Will it be any other option than "No deal"?
I think we're just that little bit further up shit creek sans paddle.
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@Catogrande Dunno mate, some leadership that moves forwards will be a welcome thing.
I hope like hell it's not Johnson, but it's a possibility.
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Can only be hopeless for so long, she was well overdue to fall on her sword or be rolled, but neither side had a spine until now. Cromwell comes to mind:
You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
This. Just this.
We can all rant on about the decline of the UK, the march of the Alt-Right, the poison that is Antifa, the shit media, the political arrogance and corruption and all the while the creeping cancer that is craft beer creeps under the radar.That is 24 carat comedy gold.
Had a shit day and your post cheered me up. Almost as much as watching Matt Dawson getting dumped on
his arse by Jerry CollinsFIFY.
My favourite Dawson memory to cheer me up is when the shouty twat was making the Uk papers rwc teams after 2003 and his club shifted him to centre to make way for a kiwi who couldn’t even get a super 12 contract .
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Catogrande Dunno mate, some leadership that moves forwards will be a welcome thing.
I hope like hell it's not Johnson, but it's a possibility.
I think either that Nebbish Hammond or an out and out Brexiteer. Either way they will have to deal with the EU that don't want us to go and the Commons that don't want us to go.
Continuing shit storm for the time being I feel.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Back to Politics ... she's gone.
Resigned effective 7th June
Or will she?
If her Brexit timeframe is any marker. She's got previous.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Catogrande Dunno mate, some leadership that moves forwards will be a welcome thing.
I hope like hell it's not Johnson, but it's a possibility.
I think either that Nebbish Hammond or an out and out Brexiteer. Either way they will have to deal with the EU that don't want us to go and the Commons that don't want us to go.
Continuing shit storm for the time being I feel.
It's about time that Bo Jo stopped shit stirring and grasped the nettle.
He wanted out. So take us fucking out you spineless twat.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Catogrande Dunno mate, some leadership that moves forwards will be a welcome thing.
I hope like hell it's not Johnson, but it's a possibility.
I think either that Nebbish Hammond or an out and out Brexiteer. Either way they will have to deal with the EU that don't want us to go and the Commons that don't want us to go.
Continuing shit storm for the time being I feel.
Gove?
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
I think either that Nebbish Hammond
Do you mean Philip Hammond? Deeply unpopular within the Tory party.
I doubt if he'll even stand
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Pretty much has to be a Brexiteer IMHO. A leader who can produce a settlement on Brexit which parliament can back and which respects the 2016 result as much as possible.
He/She will have more chance of getting the hard Brexit brigade to compromise and, if Farage does as well as expected, bring Labour MPs in Leave areas on board
Can't see anyone who wants to effectively ignore and rerun the 2016 Referendum result being able to do that which effectively.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
Pretty much has to be a Brexiteer IMHO. A leader who can produce a settlement on Brexit which parliament can back and which respects the 2016 result as much as possible.
He/She will have more chance of getting the hard Brexit brigade to compromise and, if Farage does as well as expected, bring Labour MPs in Leave areas on board
Can't see anyone who wants to effectively ignore and rerun the 2016 Referendum result being able to do that which effectively.
As much as May has been ineffective I doubt very much that she has not been trying hard to engineer an exit. The concept that it will all fall into place because the main negotiator supports the outcome only goes so far.
I can't believe that the hard brexiteer element of the party is still convincing people that they can do a better job without coming up with any alternative themselves.
To anyone that says 'no deal' I say 'Northern Ireland'
Rees-Mogg was interviewed the other night and specifically asked why he thinks Boris would do a better job. His answer was 'because he has charisma' and 'because he supports the outcome'. Not an inkling of actual solutions.Part of this clusterfuck as all along been the power games (from all parties). I can almost guarantee that Boris will take power then turn around and say 'the solution is complicated'
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
As much as May has been ineffective I doubt very much that she has not been trying hard to engineer an exit
May's problem is she progressively alienated the people she needed to get on board and produce a settlement they could own. It was always her way or else
I can't believe that the hard brexiteer element of the party is still convincing people that they can do a better job without coming up with any alternative themselves.
Agreed. I just think a Brexiteer will have more chance of getting people to accept a deal as they will see it as a "real Brexit" and won't be able to use May as an excuse. Ironically, it's probably going to be close to May's deal
To anyone that says 'no deal' I say 'Northern Ireland'
"No deal" is perfectly OK with the DUP as they're treated the same as the UK. It's the supposed economic impacts of a No Deal which means it won't pass the HoC.
I can almost guarantee that Boris will take power then turn around and say 'the solution is complicated'
Probably easier for Brexit-supporting MP's to accept that from Brexiteer Boris rather than May.
Part of this clusterfuck as all along been the power games (from all parties).
The main issue is MP's have been openly trying to ignore/overturn the referendum result. Regardless of what happens next on Brexit, there's a big sea-change a-coming
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
As much as May has been ineffective I doubt very much that she has not been trying hard to engineer an exit
May's problem is she progressively alienated the people she needed to get on board and produce a settlement they could own. It was always her way or else
Agreed. She made a mess but that is different to actively putting blockages in the way of brexit which is what some people maintain
I can't believe that the hard brexiteer element of the party is still convincing people that they can do a better job without coming up with any alternative themselves.
Agreed. I just think a Brexiteer will have more chance of getting people to accept a deal as they will see it as a "real Brexit" and won't be able to use May as an excuse. Ironically, it's probably going to be close to May's deal
To anyone that says 'no deal' I say 'Northern Ireland'
"No deal" is perfectly OK with the DUP as they're treated the same as the UK. It's the supposed economic impacts of a No Deal which means it won't pass the HoC.
Probably should have just said Ireland instead of NI. The border situation still has to be resolved in a manner that is in tune with the Good Friday agreement
I can almost guarantee that Boris will take power then turn around and say 'the solution is complicated'
Probably easier for Brexit-supporting MP's to accept that from Brexiteer Boris rather than May.
True but that also shows pig-headedness from all parties. Not listening to May telling them it wasn't easy shouldn't be an excuse.
Part of this clusterfuck as all along been the power games (from all parties).
The main issue is MP's have been openly trying to ignore/overturn the referendum result. Regardless of what happens next on Brexit, there's a big sea-change a-coming
I disagree. SOME MPs have correctly followed the wishes of their constituents (which is in itself a problem when you have a central referendum outcome being voted on by constituent MPs). Others have voted on just how shit the deal made was. They don't see the deal as being good or no deal as being good. That doesn't mean they are ignoring the referendum.
I'm not even sure there will be a sea change. The LDs will pick up protest votes from remainers but leavers will be reluctant to move away from the traditional Tory or Labour voting pattern they have made all of their life.The upshot is that the incompetent May is replaced with the option of either Boris the clown or Jeremy the communist.
A choice between shit and crap
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
The upshot is that the incompetent May is replaced with the option of either Boris the clown or Jeremy the communist.A choice between shit and crap
My understanding is the Tories are not obligated to call an election.
And it may be jumping the gun, but based on the polls going in to the European elections the Labour wheels could well be falling off and if an election is called then Corbyn (Labour) could well be left out in the cold.
Again.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
The upshot is that the incompetent May is replaced with the option of either Boris the clown or Jeremy the communist.A choice between shit and crap
My understanding is the Tories are not obligated to call an election.
And it may be jumping the gun, but based on the polls going in to the European elections the Labour wheels could well be falling off and if an election is called then Corbyn (Labour) could well be left out in the cold.
Again.
Yes, true, I am jumping ahead of the game a fair bit.
So remove crap from the situation and leave shit in there.
BoJo is a buffoon. A career politician and egotist that seems to attract votes as if he was on Britain's Got Talent.
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Lots of thoughts above but one missing.
The new leader goes to EU and hears, once again, there is no further movement possible. The new PM is then forced to either concede and try and push through the deal, or accept no deal against the Views of almost all advisors.
That’s what I think will happen.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
I disagree. SOME MPs have correctly followed the wishes of their constituents (which is in itself a problem when you have a central referendum outcome being voted on by constituent MPs). Others have voted on just how shit the deal made was. They don't see the deal as being good or no deal as being good. That doesn't mean they are ignoring the referendum.
Putting the deal on offer (shit or not) to one side, 193 out of 650 MPs voted to revoke A50 & MPs narrowly voted against a second referendum by 12 votes.
So that's 30% of MPs who want to openly ignore the referendum result and nearly 50% wanting to overturn the result with a 2nd public vote (no matter how much they try to disguise it by voting against any deal)
That's pretty unprecedented in UK politics.
leavers will be reluctant to move away from the traditional Tory or Labour voting pattern they have made all of their life.
We'll have to see. Certainly opinion polling suggests otherwise.
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No Deal is, I think, the most favoured option amongst Leave voters. A Farage success in the EU elections would reinforce that and may concentrate minds in the HoC to come to a sensible compromise rather than a No Deal brexit happen by default
A lot depends on who the next PM is and whether Boris or a hard Brexiteer manages to get on the shortlist of 2 the party members get to vote on.
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