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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
Revoking A50 for many was about resetting the situation and trying to negotiate from afresh. It wasn’t igorhe voters.
114 MPs voted against invoking A50 before negotiations had even started.
Don’t confuse that directly with trying to stop Brexit. Setting a date before negotiations was one of Mays big mistakes.
“I have to sell this house to you by the end of the month, now what will you pay me for it?” -
@Crucial said in British Politics:
Don’t confuse that directly with trying to stop Brexit. Setting a date before negotiations was one of Mays big mistakes.
“I have to sell this house to you by the end of the month, now what will you pay me for it?”Negotiations couldn't start until A50 was invoked. IIRC the EU said it was part of Lisbon Treaty and refused to do so.
Of course all those MP's wouldn't know that, and were only interested in a successful UK exit from the EU...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
Don’t confuse that directly with trying to stop Brexit. Setting a date before negotiations was one of Mays big mistakes.
“I have to sell this house to you by the end of the month, now what will you pay me for it?”Negotiations couldn't start until A50 was invoked. IIRC the EU said it was part of Lisbon Treaty and refused to do so.
Of course all those MP's wouldn't know that, and were only interested in a successful UK exit from the EU...
While A50 says that invoking it means you have 2 years to negotiate there is nothing that says you have to invoke to start negotiations.
Of course the EU could refuse to talk beforehand but the ball was in the UKs court as to when to hit the start button. They could have signalled their intentions and spent time planning the exit.
I do admit that the process is heavily in favour of the EU as no deal hurts the exiting party more than them.
That’s why the more time spent planning and lobbying before negotiating the better -
@Crucial said in British Politics:
While A50 says that invoking it means you have 2 years to negotiate there is nothing that says you have to invoke to start negotiations.
Well, nothing apart from international law and treaties.
"EU leaders and officials have consistently argued that, legally, they cannot open the exit negotiations with the UK until Article 50 has been invoked."
That’s why the more time spent planning and lobbying before negotiating the better
Up to a point on preparing for a no-deal scenario. But almost certainly counter-productive as you wouldn't know the other sides negotiating stance.
Not that we heard any of these arguments from those MP voting against A50 or in favour of revoking it.
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Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
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@jegga said in British Politics:
Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
I think you’re getting the Brits and the Huns confused with the Greeks.
And the Pikies.
We like to queue for a shit.
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@jegga said in British Politics:
Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
They indeed spend nothing.
Apart from 167m
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@jegga said in British Politics:
Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
They indeed spend nothing.
Apart from 167m
That’s not even up there with Charlie Sheen’s charlie habit cost.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@jegga said in British Politics:
Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
They indeed spend nothing.
Apart from 167m
The article says TNZ is targetting visitors who actually have cash to spend, rather than backpackers which is fantastic.
I'm sure if you compare the cost of cleaning up their backpackers shit and the other costs to our infrastructure while they travel round spending the absolute minimum they can we are going backwards and tolerating them only encourages more .
The last thing we need is to be known as a destination for these people , they started to infest Australia when I was there and they shifted like a virus to NZ about 8 years later. -
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@jegga said in British Politics:
Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
I think you’re getting the Brits and the Huns confused with the Greeks.
And the Pikies.
We like to queue for a shit.
You can still queue for a bush to shit behind
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12230141
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/82130743/freedom-campers-dump-faeces-on-maori-burial-ground
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@jegga said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@jegga Hey man. Foxes gotta eat.
We don't have foxes in NZ.
Nothing to eat?
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@jegga said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@jegga Hey man. Foxes gotta eat.
We don't have foxes in NZ.
Nothing to eat?
Not bad mate, not bad.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Grass, trees. Article says 870 mill market. That’s fairly deceny
Yep, sounds like we shed the most feral broke end of the market that is a drain on the economy . Great outcome .
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Looks like a huge win for Brexit party, at the expense of Conservatives and UKIP.
Lib-Dems & Greens improved significantly at the expense of Labour.
Surely this is all the evidence necessary to get a hard Brexit supporter as leader of the Conservatives otherwise they are done.
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Hard to tell what the significance of this vote is when less than 40% of the population voted.
The apathy is astounding.
If that's a 'normal' turnout, and if I were Jeremy Corbyn, I would not be calling for a General Election.
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