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@Salacious-Crumb said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
ARU should crowdfund for their defence. I'd be in.
What’s stopping you from cutting a cheque?
Only the fact I seem to have misplaced my cheque book somewhere in the previous century.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
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Fark he's nearly cracked 500k.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
Where?
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@rotated said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Completely asinine from Mitchell.
If when this bloke negotiated his Toulon contract he asked for $x00,000 per year, and their brass came back with the average salary for a nurse, aged healthcare worker and firefighter and said we can't pay you anymore than these - he would have copped that?
Celebrity is different, no shit.
You can't deny from a PR perspective this was a clear misstep
I can’t even see how that’s related.
Mitchell’s point is that Folau is asking people to pay for the consequences of his own decisions.
And pointing out how much of an arse it makes him, especially when his campaign is surrounded by children who are suffering from things they didn’t choose to get.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
Where?
Really? Did you actually read his entire Tweet?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
Where?
Really? Did you actually read his entire Tweet?
Yes. He doesn’t say he can’t use it for this. He says he’s a fluffybunny for using it like this.
Same as what @barbarian says above.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
100 percent with Drew
Nah that's fucked up. Completely uncalled for. So he can't use GoFundMe because there are more worthy causes?
Who said that?
Not Drew, nor me.
Um. Yes he did.
Where?
Really? Did you actually read his entire Tweet?
Yes. He doesn’t say he can’t use it for this. He says he’s a fluffybunny for using it like this.
Same as what @barbarian says above.
He wrote: "You think you deserve donations more than they do."
Where did he even say that or imply that? Mitchell's essentially saying that by starting the GoFundMe page he's telling people not to give money to them but to him. That's fucked up. Phonglau can go hang for all I care, but Mitchell is still a fluffy bunny for saying that.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in The Folau Factor:
there is a Hell, surely it’s a Soviet-style tyranny where people lose their jobs for quoting The Bible. That’s where we are,
That statement is about as detatched from reality as Folau himself.
He deserves your money.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
I can’t even see how that’s related.
When you contrast professional athletes with real people in tough or tragic situation it is never terribly a good look. That is what Mitchell has tried to do with his post but it just shows a lack of self reflection.
Posting the Go Fund Me is a bit tacky in my opinion, but hey there seem to be many people out there willing to back it. But I don't think for a second that he is taking money from these other causes, I don't think people scroll through the site looking to give money away at random. People have gone there specifically to donate to him as it's the primary method for collecting funds for this type of thing.
Given we don't have all the facts in the case I would prefer to see this go to the courts. If Folau were to win he would not be asking people to "pay for the consequences of his mistakes" he would be asking people to help him defend his (and in turn others) human rights.
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@rotated said in The Folau Factor:
Given we don't have all the facts in the case I would prefer to see this go to the courts. If Folau were to win he would not be asking people to "pay for the consequences of his mistakes" he would be asking people to help him defend his (and in turn others) human rights.
Fallau's not the poster child for freedom of speech, but there are important principles at stake. He's a muppet that seems to be doubling down on his opinion, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there is competition between the right of an employer to control an employee to protect their brand, and the right of an employee to publicly express their religion.
It's a crappy case, and no one will come out of it well. No matter what Fellow's done in rugby. The issue with deplatforming and controlling the speech of others, is yuo wind up like Samoa banning Rocketman. If you give people tools to suppress speech, sometimes (often?) they will be used against speech that you want free.
Whether he's got money or not has frankly nothing to do with the principles, and the givealittle page is a sideshow. Would make a lot of heads spin if Folau actually won... will be an interesting case
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
Mitchell’s point is that Folau is asking people to pay for the consequences of his own decisions.
Same logic the Saudis use when they execute gays. “They’re paying for the consequences of their decisions. Save your tears for children in wheelchairs.”
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Put my money where my mouth is and donated a days’ wage. Probably a waste of my money, but I’ll take it out of my entertainment budget (not going to take it out of my wine ‘n weed budget!), and besides, this is is already entertaining as Hell, where I’ll no doubt be burning for my wayward secular beliefs.
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Seemed to be accruing at about a thousand dollars per minute for the half-hour I was reading..
I’m curious if Christians in the American bible belt have been contributing, and/or whether they even know the story. I suspect when they start learning about it on Sundays, should it get any promotion, his war chest is going to be sizeable.
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@Salacious-Crumb you've got skin in the game mate! Good on ya
I wish ARU would put up a go fund me page.
We would have a measurable battle of ideologies occurring in the public marketplace.Which group actually tangibly makes a sacrifice for their cause and which is all talk of offending, victimhood and bad words for theirs.
Good barometer of society priorities
Extra money for the ARU too 👍
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@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
I wish ARU would put up a go fund me page.
I’m only shocked Pete Fitzsimmons didn’t start one first.
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
measurable battle of ideologies
Except there is only one ideology, and it lost the battle. Now it's just setting fire to the other side's crops, while seeking to start a war
Jesus Christ, everybody thinks they’re crucified.
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@Salacious-Crumb well, if Folau took it to court and won his $10M, RA is effectively bankrupted. Basically crucifixion.
All because he's a fucking idiot. A rich fucking idiot.
The good news: his court activities should cost somewhere between $150k and $300k, so at least all the little snowflakes who donated to his cause have helped him buy yet another investment property. Well done.
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Salacious-Crumb well, if Folau took it to court and won his $10M, RA is effectively bankrupted. Basically crucifixion.
All because he's a fucking idiot. A rich fucking idiot.
The good news: his court activities should cost somewhere between $150k and $300k, so at least all the little snowflakes who donated to his cause have helped him buy yet another investment property. Well done.
He's not going to get $10M.
However, it's a bit rough to label people who choose to support his action snowflakes. If I lived in Aus, I'd want to know what my employer could realistically do to curb my speech. Can I wear a Hijab at work? Can I refer to teh bible when I help people? Can I tell people I disapprove of their promiscuous lifestyle?
Folau's appears to be a bit of a zealot, but religious freedom was hard won and should only be curtailed with careful consideration. The courts should do that.
Bright point: we're not in Samoa, Qatar or Yemen. You're free to express yourself, I'm free to disagree with you, and we'll all go for a virtual beer at the end of the day, and no-one gets thrown in jail
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions