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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan suspended pending full investigation at the very least, the moment all the allegations came to light. Fark this reeks.
Howarth told the victim he was too important to the party to fire .
Let that sink in . Ok so he’s a rapist but if we sack him we might not get re-elected next year .
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Not defending Cindy for a second but
Morrison, Turnbull, Abbott, Rudd, Gillard - not really the lucky country eh?Mind you Adern \ Bridges ain't all that either.
NZ Labour Leaders since Aunty Helen; Goff, Shearer, Silent T, Little, Cindy isn't eactly Savage/Fraser/Nash either
I think Ardern is worse than all if them. And most of them were terrible
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@Toddy said in NZ Politics:
Isn't he an alleged rapist/sex offender. Or are we assuming guilty unless proven innocent now.
Couldn't agree more. Innocent until proven guilty still applies to those you don't like. It is the lies from Ardern and her mates that irk me.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
@Toddy said in NZ Politics:
Isn't he an alleged rapist/sex offender. Or are we assuming guilty unless proven innocent now.
Couldn't agree more. Innocent until proven guilty still applies to those you don't like. It is the lies from Ardern and her mates that irk me.
The victims should be listened to, not knee jerk believed.12 alleged victims , I agree with you but we are getting into Bill Cosby territory here.
However, Newstalk ZB political reporter Barry Soper said the allegations involved not only sexual assault but rape, offers to pay for sex and that there were 12 alleged complainants.
"What they're saying is, the party is telling them not to comment. They say people incredibly high up are on the side of the accused in the Beehive."
Soper said those allegedly affected were "frightened" of talking to the media as they claimed they would have their support withdrawn if they spoke out.
"They talked about not just sexual assault but rape, they said that this person worked in the Beehive for two years, he was offering promotions for sex. They said there was a huge power imbalance, they said the person was well known to Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson.
"They said one victim was hospitalised, two were still working at Parliament, six others were junior party members and there were 12 victims in all."
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
@Toddy said in NZ Politics:
Isn't he an alleged rapist/sex offender. Or are we assuming guilty unless proven innocent now.
Couldn't agree more. Innocent until proven guilty still applies to those you don't like. It is the lies from Ardern and her mates that irk me.
The victims should be listened to, not knee jerk believed.12 alleged victims , I agree with you but we are getting into Bill Cosby territory here.
However, Newstalk ZB political reporter Barry Soper said the allegations involved not only sexual assault but rape, offers to pay for sex and that there were 12 alleged complainants.
"What they're saying is, the party is telling them not to comment. They say people incredibly high up are on the side of the accused in the Beehive."
Soper said those allegedly affected were "frightened" of talking to the media as they claimed they would have their support withdrawn if they spoke out.
"They talked about not just sexual assault but rape, they said that this person worked in the Beehive for two years, he was offering promotions for sex. They said there was a huge power imbalance, they said the person was well known to Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson.
"They said one victim was hospitalised, two were still working at Parliament, six others were junior party members and there were 12 victims in all."
Wow, hope it all comes out.
Lets all now spare a moment for the poor editors at Stuff.co.nz who are in a tough position trying to bury a story that is just so juicy that if they don't put it up even their most head-in-the-sand readers would start to doubt their journalistic integrity.
You'd get whiplash looking for the scandal headline today, back to the top right now...but for how long?
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@Toddy yep, but then that in itself is part of the problem.
Appears the allegations were not treated with the seriousness they deserved, passed to the Police to investigate and exonerate or prosecute as the evidence so required.
Instead Labour have downplayed them almost to the point of sweeping it all under the carpet, as little more than 'boys will be boys' type vehaviour and now it is getting blown up...posibly out of proportion if it turns out to be baseless.
Either way, Labour's handling of it has been atrocious and more heads should roll.
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@Rembrandt said in NZ Politics:
@jegga said in NZ Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in NZ Politics:
@Toddy said in NZ Politics:
Isn't he an alleged rapist/sex offender. Or are we assuming guilty unless proven innocent now.
Couldn't agree more. Innocent until proven guilty still applies to those you don't like. It is the lies from Ardern and her mates that irk me.
The victims should be listened to, not knee jerk believed.12 alleged victims , I agree with you but we are getting into Bill Cosby territory here.
However, Newstalk ZB political reporter Barry Soper said the allegations involved not only sexual assault but rape, offers to pay for sex and that there were 12 alleged complainants.
"What they're saying is, the party is telling them not to comment. They say people incredibly high up are on the side of the accused in the Beehive."
Soper said those allegedly affected were "frightened" of talking to the media as they claimed they would have their support withdrawn if they spoke out.
"They talked about not just sexual assault but rape, they said that this person worked in the Beehive for two years, he was offering promotions for sex. They said there was a huge power imbalance, they said the person was well known to Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson.
"They said one victim was hospitalised, two were still working at Parliament, six others were junior party members and there were 12 victims in all."
Wow, hope it all comes out.
Lets all now spare a moment for the poor editors at Stuff.co.nz who are in a tough position trying to bury a story that is just so juicy that if they don't put it up even their most head-in-the-sand readers would start to doubt their journalistic integrity.
You'd get whiplash looking for the scandal headline today, back to the top right now...but for how long?
Its hilarious to check stuff every three hours or so and see them ping ponging the stories around to protect dear leader.
I've been watching kiwiblog and theres usually three or four leftie trolls that hang out there , not a peep from any of them since monday
The standard is still trying to ignore it, the main narrative in the comments is that this is a false flag from National and that Paula Bennett has exploited the victims by politicising it for her own gain .
Leftie trolls on twitter are reduced to trying to draw a false equivalence between this and John Key making a cock of himself with his hair fetish.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@Toddy yep, but then that in itself is part of the problem.
Appears the allegations were not treated with the seriousness they deserved, passed to the Police to investigate and exonerate or prosecute as the evidence so required.
Instead Labour have downplayed them almost to the point of sweeping it all under the carpet, as little more than 'boys will be boys' type vehaviour and now it is getting blown up...posibly out of proportion if it turns out to be baseless.
Either way, Labour's handling of it has been atrocious and more heads should roll.
Labour asked them to come forward after the neverland young labour retreat, when they did they treated them like shit.
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