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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
It's hard to know what is the truth and what is bullshit anymore.
It's a clear a lot of people (media, MP's amongst others) have no trust in Boris and are looking at all avenues and then trying to figure out what he may be trying to do.
Parliament is truly dysfunctional. BJ has presented a deal which has a majority in HOC, something May never achieved. It is a negotiating position designed to allow for EU pushback. Any argument that he wasn't looking for a deal is looking bankrupt.
But Benn (Surrender) Bill means EU can adopt 'he who turns and runs away lives to fight another day' tactics!! Net effect to make a deal harder.
Of course, there is a view that, behind all the pretence to 'No Deal', objectors know that by empowering EU (confident its bluff can't be called) only to offer terms which no Sovereign state would accept, repeated delays will lead to Brexit collapsing.
In particular, EU is trying to hobble UK for future trade deals by trying to blackmail it into leaving NI behind in EUCM.
Would love to see EU position IF it had to face up to No Deal actually happening!
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@Rembrandt said in Brexit:
@pakman Haven't read it yet but considering it's only a Blair era institution and reading this recent article it sounds incredibly disturbing of something that is supposed to be a 'supreme court'.
Sad day for British Law, which has historically been held in very high regard.
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Forget all the Irish nonsense. This is the real problem we will face with a no deal.
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
Forget all the Irish nonsense. This is the real problem we will face with a no deal.
Jesus H Christ
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Catogrande said in Brexit:
Forget all the Irish nonsense. This is the real problem we will face with a no deal.
Jesus H Christ
Don’t tell me you’re not interested
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Catogrande said in Brexit:
Forget all the Irish nonsense. This is the real problem we will face with a no deal.
Jesus H Christ
Don’t tell me you’re not interested
Don't have my HGV licence
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@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Catogrande said in Brexit:
@MiketheSnow said in Brexit:
@Catogrande said in Brexit:
Forget all the Irish nonsense. This is the real problem we will face with a no deal.
Jesus H Christ
Don’t tell me you’re not interested
Don't have my HGV licence
I dont think HGV driver was the role you would play in that scenario....
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
So Merkel has told BoJo basically a deal ain't happening under the terms / ideas he's proposed.
Still breaking, so tough to come up with what this exactly means. UK leaves without a deal? Corbyn and co get their way?
If nothing else It means that Bojo has more ammunition to blame others for no deal.
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@MajorRage said in Brexit:
So Merkel has told BoJo basically a deal ain't happening under the terms / ideas he's proposed.
Still breaking, so tough to come up with what this exactly means. UK leaves without a deal? Corbyn and co get their way?
Well, No10 say that Merkel says etc. Who knows? But @Baron-Silas-Greenback is right, if true, this gives Boris some serious ammo to go down the no deal route.
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Indeed. Although if he officially moves his position to "no-deal" then we know that the rest of parliament is going to move heaven and earth to disrupt and ensure this doesn't happen.
Which means likely another delay.
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@MajorRage I just don't know what the answer is or what the outcome will be. Everyone says we're going out but no-one wants us to go (parliament that is). Good deal, shit deal, no deal. It doesn't seem to make much difference.
Groundhog Day.
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I can see what Britain is doing to avoid a no deal, I can see the compromises they have made, I can see the ideas they have.
I havent seen any ideas or compromises from the eu or opposition.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
I can see what Britain is doing to avoid a no deal, I can see the compromises they have made, I can see the ideas they have.
I havent seen any ideas or compromises from the eu or opposition.
Ireland also seem to be acting like it isn't their problemI can see where the EU are coming from thought. They don’t want to make it an easy transition out in case it encourages any others to leave. Ireland I’m not so sure about. I don’t know enough about Varadkar to understand his motivation.
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
I can see where the EU are coming from thought. They don’t want to make it an easy transition out in case it encourages any others to leave.
This point hasn't been driven home well enough by the conservatives, specifically May when she kept going back for MV after MV.
Europe and Britain come to the negotiating table with very different motivations. A win-win economic scenario for both parties is actually a win-lose scenario for Europe if it emboldens other countries to strive toward independence.
While I wouldn't go so far as to say it is negotiating in good faith there is no doubt that the EU want to make an example out of them.
Ironically, Cameron had he stayed was in the best position to prosecute that argument having already gone through two high-profile negotations with the EU.
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@Catogrande said in Brexit:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Brexit:
I can see what Britain is doing to avoid a no deal, I can see the compromises they have made, I can see the ideas they have.
I havent seen any ideas or compromises from the eu or opposition.
Ireland also seem to be acting like it isn't their problemI can see where the EU are coming from thought. They don’t want to make it an easy transition out in case it encourages any others to leave. Ireland I’m not so sure about. I don’t know enough about Varadkar to understand his motivation.
Oh absolutely, I dont even know if the British ideas are good!
But I know that theyare trying. It just seems like all you hear form the EU and Opposition is that is 'unworkable' , well if you are going to take that line.... you have to at least try yourself to find something yourself that is workable. At the moment they are just standing back 'poo pooing' everything. Its like Bojo is trying to build a fence between him and his neighbors and the neighbor just watches and then goes that is shit never going to work.. and that is it.
At some point you just say fuck it you pompous objectionable twunt and you put up a fence that looks sweet from your side and all the sawn timber ends, rough cuts and nails are on his side. And anyone watching would think... yeah he deserved that. -
Does Britain have any laws about PM's not having a criminal record? What if Boris at the last minute simply refuses to be forced to write a letter begging for an extension? That would break the law, possibly result in his arrest and even imprisonment. Not sure that will quell his popularity..If anything he might take on a bit of a 'freedom fighter' image.
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