Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Yeah, so stupid. Totally giving the wrong message to people who are already struggling to abide by the lockdown rules.
Unhelpful when your own PM is unclear about what is permitted and what isn't:
The official Covid-19 website says private vehicles should be used for essential purposes, and does not mention using vehicles to travel short distances for exercise. But Ardern and senior government officials, including Police Commissioner Mike Bush, have said driving very locally to visit a park was acceptable. "There are some people who not near an area where they can safely walk or they can safely get fresh air, so we do accept that people will make short-distance journeys," Ardern said on Tuesday.
Do people like you (and I ) grasp what we can and can't do without it being spelled out? I think the answer is yes.
People are complaining about the wishy-washy-ness of the instruction yet complain of living in a police state if we are governed strictly to a rule.
I like that it lets me make a sensible decision on what I can and can't do.
Unless that decision is going for a swim or surf apparently.
But you and I grasp that we should not as per L4 lockdown protocol.
That's your interpretation.
Most peoples interpretation.
Most people wouldn't consider driving a private vehicle so you can go to a park essential either, but apparently Ardern does.
*Most defined as per our own scientifically constructed polling methods.
I am referring to Surfing. Most people know you can't hence the empty surf breaks by comparison.
They allow us to make sensible decisions and aren't making a rule for evert scenario. It's almost like they trust us to make the right decision which the most are doing
See previous post. I don't find argument by assertion particularly compelling.
Who's arguing? Or compelled to for that matter?
We are. An argument doesn't have to be emotional, just an exchange of differing views.
Fair call.
I think it is best to end the argument as the differing opinions won't ever match.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Wairau said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan
I suggest you educate yourself, it has been used in many places on COVID19provide a link where the drug is used in a recognized and researched paper and I'll change my position. But to the best of my knowledge there is no such research available. And no need to get all snippy
I reckon. The conversation was rather civilised for a brief moment.
Why do I think we are about to get an obscure link to this saving drug and then a lot of noise around it.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Wairau said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan
I suggest you educate yourself, it has been used in many places on COVID19provide a link where the drug is used in a recognized and researched paper and I'll change my position. But to the best of my knowledge there is no such research available. And no need to get all snippy
It's all potential at the moment. Nothing remotely concrete
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@Wairau Good luck getting any. Pharmac has restricted access to those drugs to people who actually need it rather than those hoping for a miracle cure / magic bullet because of reports they read online.
There was such a rush to self-prescribe that those who genuinely need the drug couldn't source it.
Serious side affects if you aren't careful too.
Like a lot of things there is a lack of hard scientific evidence about its efficacy but apparently that is not as important as anecdotal stories . Not helped when the anecdotes are repeated by someone who speaks with some gravitas.
BTW for what it's worth - The Wu Flu / Chinese Flu bullshit is unnecessary IMO - just another tedious attempt to politicise almost everything
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@dogmeat Cheers, I am going for food so won't check this for a while, however, most of your points I must note that I disagree with. It's not anecdotal. There are clear short informal trials and the drug process is logical. The prescription amount is safe, and the main side effect given 5 day treatment is low probability compared to the usefulness of the combo for the wider pop., and given those same people with weak heart would die from ARDS anyway, that's relatively pointless.
Again, I note that you've got likes but the things you stated are generalizations that are untrue, but sound nice and reassuring.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo only 6 until Easter!!
I'm looking at my camping options at present...front yard is flatter and more spacious, but closer to the road, back yard is a bit sloped and the chickens live there....
So many important considerations. You should mull over this one for a few days for sure.
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@Wairau said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat Cheers, I am going for food so won't check this for a while, however, most of your points I must note that I disagree with. It's not anecdotal. There are clear short informal trials and the drug process is logical. The prescription amount is safe, and the main side effect given 5 day treatment is low probability compared to the usefulness of the combo for the wider pop., and given those same people with weak heart would die from ARDS anyway, that's relatively pointless.
Where is the literature on this? Legitimate literature on it.
I only ask as surely you must understand that there would be 100's of cures in the pipeline that aren't approved yet due to the unknown side effects and long term results rather than just the at point in time 'cure'?
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@Wairau said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat Cheers, I am going for food so won't check this for a while, however, most of your points I must note that I disagree with. It's not anecdotal. There are clear short informal trials and the drug process is logical. The prescription amount is safe, and the main side effect given 5 day treatment is low probability compared to the usefulness of the combo for the wider pop., and given those same people with weak heart would die from ARDS anyway, that's relatively pointless.
Again, I note that you've got likes but the things you stated are generalizations that are untrue, but sound nice and reassuring.
Guys, guys. Look deeper.Conspiracy theories are not helpful for anyone, so shelve that look deeper stuff. That's how we end up anti-vaxxers doing their research on Facebook.
Treatments will come in when they are scientifically tested, and proven safe.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
BTW for what it's worth - The Wu Flu / Chinese Flu bullshit is unnecessary IMO - just another tedious attempt to politicise almost everything
Me too. Might as well call it the Yellow Peril thread or something and say what you really feel. I always thought we were better than that
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@Kirwan Bingo I'm as keen as the next person for a cure to be developed for a whole host of personal and professional reasons. I fall into three of the risk factors, I was closing in on retirement and I don't want to have to consider redundancies if I can avoid it.
However the best brains are working on it and if they say this is what is required or the best course of action then I'm not going to second guess them or look for conspiracies by any government, group faction or illuminati.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
BTW for what it's worth - The Wu Flu / Chinese Flu bullshit is unnecessary IMO - just another tedious attempt to politicise almost everything
Me too. Might as well call it the Yellow Peril thread or something and say what you really feel. I always thought we were better than that
I don't think it's that political. We still refer to Spanish Flu for example (also not a hugely fair name). It started in China, or Wuhan, so calling it the WuFu makes perfect sense in the way that language strives to give context and shorter versions of things.
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@Wairau said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
- It works, and has been proven in many cases. But not on long trials of course. And the current WHO trial is testing in an incorrect way
- Other countries are actively using it
- Of course, we all know what hydroxochloroquine is typically used for, but this is a different need, please don't obfuscate....and I listed correctly the 3 drug combo, did you not read that? I never said hydroxychloroquine on its own. duh
btw Chinese govt. indicated it useful in the treatment of SARS in 2005....
This is important.
I also find it interesting that @canefan liked your post, which was pointless, but not mine, which is about solutions.Sure if you know the answers already just take the drugs.
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Logic/maths question.
If the average daily testing has increased, and average new Daily cases is staying roughly the same for the past five days, that’s a decrease in the positive results right?
Rolling average is what 1800 tests per day, but the new cases are staying around 80.