Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby And it would be an 1 h+ drive to get there from Auckland/Waikato so I am happy if the idiots are inconvenienced for breaking the lockdown rules.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Wife travels to work with her "papers" allowing her to travel. Fun times.
Our legal team have apparently drafted "essential services" letters to permit us to continue travelling. A friend came up with the term Covstapo.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bovidae prety pathetic they need to do that really
Anyone that thinks that all NZers can be trusted to do the right thing can guess again. I have no problem with it, because if I am not allowed to return to work just because a small group of shit bags couldn't climb aboard and do what was asked, I will be fucken pissed
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I hope they throw the book at this fuck stick. Spitting is a dog act at the best of times
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I ma almost to the point of thinking this whole thing has been a pile of shite.
We have stuffed our economy for 12 people in hospital,4 in ICU and 1 death?
Lets assume we didnt lock down and it was 10 times worse...
120 in hospital, 40 in ICU and 10 deaths? Big deal.
I think a limited lockdown of at risk people plus strong border controls would have been perfect balance. This govt just panicked once university experts told them disaster scenarios. Gutless.
And before anyone (most likely Hawkes supporters) have a cry about me getting political. I think a National govt would have done EXACTLY the same. -
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think if the world borders remain tight for a sustained period, most of the tourist dollars NZers spent outside NZ will end up being spent in NZ, one reason many dont holiday here is the cost, so if the industry wants to get back on it's feet, appealing to the average NZer that would typically go to Fiji, Gold Coast, Bali etc is going to be key.
I'm already considering where in NZ to take the family in the Winter holidays now that all planned overseas trips are canned. I think the NZ tourist industry is set to have a strong middle and second half of the year because I suspect I'm not alone
I probably won't add much more than normal but that's because we travel and spend domestically in winter anyway, usually heading to the snow.
We already have a Queenstown trip booked and have until the end of this month to cancel flights and get a credit. Also have a credit already from tickets that were meant to be in May for a visit but have been cancelled.
Some of this depends on whether we can claim those credits (Jetstar) but I'd say we will end up going down there anyway.
Also have season passes for Ruapehu so will be hopefully making use of those.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We already have a Queenstown trip booked and have until the end of this month to cancel flights and get a credit.
Don't cancel, come visit! We'll still be in lockdown here at this rate , we can all walk to the top of the mountain together..😁
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I ma almost to the point of thinking this whole thing has been a pile of shite.
We have stuffed our economy for 12 people in hospital,4 in ICU and 1 death?
Lets assume we didnt lock down and it was 10 times worse...
120 in hospital, 40 in ICU and 10 deaths? Big deal.
I think a limited lockdown of at risk people plus strong border controls would have been perfect balance. This govt just panicked once university experts told them disaster scenarios. Gutless.
And before anyone (most likely Hawkes supporters) have a cry about me getting political. I think a National govt would have done EXACTLY the same.10 x worse doesn't mean a simple 10x the numbers.
Let the virus spread and the numbers would have been doubling every couple of days until it got worn out. That is conservative and backed up by the numbers in countries like the US.
Now consider the very small numbers of ICU beds that we have and we would have been overwhelmed quite quickly. -
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I ma almost to the point of thinking this whole thing has been a pile of shite.
We have stuffed our economy for 12 people in hospital,4 in ICU and 1 death?
Lets assume we didnt lock down and it was 10 times worse...
120 in hospital, 40 in ICU and 10 deaths? Big deal.
I think a limited lockdown of at risk people plus strong border controls would have been perfect balance. This govt just panicked once university experts told them disaster scenarios. Gutless.
And before anyone (most likely Hawkes supporters) have a cry about me getting political. I think a National govt would have done EXACTLY the same.10 x worse doesn't mean a simple 10x the numbers.
Let the virus spread and the numbers would have been doubling every couple of days until it got worn out. That is conservative and backed up by the numbers in countries like the US.
Now consider the very small numbers of ICU beds that we have and we would have been overwhelmed quite quickly.I think it does if you take the precautions. NZ has lower numbers because we have kept it away from risk groups. We could have done that without a lockdown of nearly all business.
Our numbers would have been way better than the US without a full lockdown. We took a sledgehammer to what turned out to be a nut.
The models have all massively over predicted deaths and cases.
Riddle me this then.... what is the reasoning for locking down the economy and wrecking it.. BEFORE you properly lock down the border. I have no issue with locking down a border and quarantining all arrivals for 14 days in govt run facilities. That's logical. I am not against measures, but smart measures, not panic
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I ma almost to the point of thinking this whole thing has been a pile of shite.
We have stuffed our economy for 12 people in hospital,4 in ICU and 1 death?
Lets assume we didnt lock down and it was 10 times worse...
120 in hospital, 40 in ICU and 10 deaths? Big deal.
I think a limited lockdown of at risk people plus strong border controls would have been perfect balance. This govt just panicked once university experts told them disaster scenarios. Gutless.
And before anyone (most likely Hawkes supporters) have a cry about me getting political. I think a National govt would have done EXACTLY the same.10 x worse doesn't mean a simple 10x the numbers.
Let the virus spread and the numbers would have been doubling every couple of days until it got worn out. That is conservative and backed up by the numbers in countries like the US.
Now consider the very small numbers of ICU beds that we have and we would have been overwhelmed quite quickly.I think it does if you take the precautions. NZ has lower numbers because we have kept it away at risk groups. We could have done that without a lockdown of nearly all business.
Our numbers would have been way better than the US without a full lockdown. We took a sledgehammer to what turned out to be a nut.
The models have all massively over predicted deaths and cases.
How on earth can you work out what would have happened without the shutdown and claim that a good result is evidence of over reaction?
I'm simply amazed that the government didn't think to call you up in the crisis for your expert advice.We may have taken a heavy handed approach but the concept is short and sharp then rebuild. I'd much prefer that than have lingering restrictions in a hallway house. To me it's certainly worth a try to eradicate within our borders.
Plenty of opportunity coming out of this for those that are smart and want want to work hard.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I ma almost to the point of thinking this whole thing has been a pile of shite.
We have stuffed our economy for 12 people in hospital,4 in ICU and 1 death?
Lets assume we didnt lock down and it was 10 times worse...
120 in hospital, 40 in ICU and 10 deaths? Big deal.
I think a limited lockdown of at risk people plus strong border controls would have been perfect balance. This govt just panicked once university experts told them disaster scenarios. Gutless.
And before anyone (most likely Hawkes supporters) have a cry about me getting political. I think a National govt would have done EXACTLY the same.10 x worse doesn't mean a simple 10x the numbers.
Let the virus spread and the numbers would have been doubling every couple of days until it got worn out. That is conservative and backed up by the numbers in countries like the US.
Now consider the very small numbers of ICU beds that we have and we would have been overwhelmed quite quickly.I think it does if you take the precautions. NZ has lower numbers because we have kept it away at risk groups. We could have done that without a lockdown of nearly all business.
Our numbers would have been way better than the US without a full lockdown. We took a sledgehammer to what turned out to be a nut.
The models have all massively over predicted deaths and cases.
How on earth can you work out what would have happened without the shutdown and claim that a good result is evidence of over reaction?
I'm simply amazed that the government didn't think to call you up in the crisis for your expert advice.We may have taken a heavy handed approach but the concept is short and sharp then rebuild. I'd much prefer that than have lingering restrictions in a hallway house. To me it's certainly worth a try to eradicate within our borders.
Plenty of opportunity coming out of this for those that are smart and want want to work hard.
Oh 'plenty of opportunities for those who are smart and work hard'.,.... what a quaint white middle class patronizing pile of shite. Tell some of the guys who work for me that story as they struggle to pay rent.. you would get a deserved earful and told to fuck off. I am willing to bet they work harder than you have in your entire life.. I know they have worked harder than me. They arent worried about your patronizing nonsense, they just want to feed their kids next week. I have had 2 guys this week basically in tears on the phone to me this week. maybe you need to field a few of those sorts of calls. I have learnt alot (I thought I already knew) in the last few years about poverty and how fucking useless every govt has been about actually helping the most vulnerable. And I repeat.. National would have done exactly the same IMO.
And you can blindly listen to the govt and the public purse paid health consultants (who will pay zero price for being wrong), but I am allowed my own opinion, and I wont be shut down by your logical fallacy (appealing to authority) https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Authority
I dont think the evidence they presented is persuasive to the damage their result has caused.And I admit I edited my posts, but I would like an answer on how it was acceptable to ruin the economy for many, BEFORE locking down the border properly.
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Good to see some visitors to our shores experiencing a common NZ issue...
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I ma almost to the point of thinking this whole thing has been a pile of shite.
We have stuffed our economy for 12 people in hospital,4 in ICU and 1 death?
Lets assume we didnt lock down and it was 10 times worse...
120 in hospital, 40 in ICU and 10 deaths? Big deal.
I think a limited lockdown of at risk people plus strong border controls would have been perfect balance. This govt just panicked once university experts told them disaster scenarios. Gutless.
And before anyone (most likely Hawkes supporters) have a cry about me getting political. I think a National govt would have done EXACTLY the same.10 x worse doesn't mean a simple 10x the numbers.
Let the virus spread and the numbers would have been doubling every couple of days until it got worn out. That is conservative and backed up by the numbers in countries like the US.
Now consider the very small numbers of ICU beds that we have and we would have been overwhelmed quite quickly.And I admit I edited my posts, but I would like an answer on how it was acceptable to ruin the economy for many, BEFORE locking down the border properly.
Because it was a work in progress and they didn't have hindsight. They have made and changed decisions as this has evolved.
We have a truckload to lose by these decisions made but I still support them for the most as they won't get it all right. But if Mum lives a few more years because we took these decisions seriously, I'm ok with that.
I can live with less money and work hard again to build something up.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback had a mare quoting your post. Was only supposed to quote the last line.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I ma almost to the point of thinking this whole thing has been a pile of shite.
We have stuffed our economy for 12 people in hospital,4 in ICU and 1 death?
Lets assume we didnt lock down and it was 10 times worse...
120 in hospital, 40 in ICU and 10 deaths? Big deal.
I think a limited lockdown of at risk people plus strong border controls would have been perfect balance. This govt just panicked once university experts told them disaster scenarios. Gutless.
And before anyone (most likely Hawkes supporters) have a cry about me getting political. I think a National govt would have done EXACTLY the same.10 x worse doesn't mean a simple 10x the numbers.
Let the virus spread and the numbers would have been doubling every couple of days until it got worn out. That is conservative and backed up by the numbers in countries like the US.
Now consider the very small numbers of ICU beds that we have and we would have been overwhelmed quite quickly.And I admit I edited my posts, but I would like an answer on how it was acceptable to ruin the economy for many, BEFORE locking down the border properly.
Because it was a work in progress and they didn't have hindsight. They have made and changed decisions as this has evolved.
We have a truckload to lose by these decisions made but I still support them for the most as they won't get it all right. But if Mum lives a few more years because we took these decisions seriously, I'm ok with that.
I can live with less money and work hard again to build something up.
It didnt require hindsight though, other countries were already doing it. We were one of the last to implement it In fact we still havent) and one odf the first (and only) to have a full lock down.
I want my parents to be protecte, but that can be done without a full lockdown.IMO NZ'ers are being waaaay to passive and the media playing soft with the govt.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I ma almost to the point of thinking this whole thing has been a pile of shite.
We have stuffed our economy for 12 people in hospital,4 in ICU and 1 death?
Lets assume we didnt lock down and it was 10 times worse...
120 in hospital, 40 in ICU and 10 deaths? Big deal.
I think a limited lockdown of at risk people plus strong border controls would have been perfect balance. This govt just panicked once university experts told them disaster scenarios. Gutless.
And before anyone (most likely Hawkes supporters) have a cry about me getting political. I think a National govt would have done EXACTLY the same.10 x worse doesn't mean a simple 10x the numbers.
Let the virus spread and the numbers would have been doubling every couple of days until it got worn out. That is conservative and backed up by the numbers in countries like the US.
Now consider the very small numbers of ICU beds that we have and we would have been overwhelmed quite quickly.And I admit I edited my posts, but I would like an answer on how it was acceptable to ruin the economy for many, BEFORE locking down the border properly.
Because it was a work in progress and they didn't have hindsight. They have made and changed decisions as this has evolved.
We have a truckload to lose by these decisions made but I still support them for the most as they won't get it all right. But if Mum lives a few more years because we took these decisions seriously, I'm ok with that.
I can live with less money and work hard again to build something up.
It didnt require hindsight though, other countries were already doing it. We were one of the last to implement it In fact we still havent) and one odf the first (and only) to have a full lock down.
I want my parents to be protecte, but that can be done without a full lockdown.IMO NZ'ers are being waaaay to passive and the media playing soft with the govt.
I don't know the results of this pandemic without a lockdown so can't speculate
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@Stockcar86 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Good to see some visitors to our shores experiencing a common NZ issue...
A place we lived in a few years back had a Feijoa tree which we were initially stoked about. I'd never encountered one before, and fuck me every single bloody Feijoa fell off the tree within the space of a couple of weeks. Had hundreds of the bloody things all at once and struggled to give them away. Was actually really annoying as it was a mission picking them all up every day.
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The lack of border control is what shits me the most, given basically all of our cases are from people returning overseas. I just assumed that'd be the first thing we target, but it seems to have been an afterthought which is crazy given we shut the whole country down.
Oh and masks... but I won't go there again!