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@NTA said in Google wifi:
@antipodean said in Google wifi:
@RoninWC said in Google wifi:
@NTA First time I've seen that and damn, it made my blood boil.
That smug sanctimonious condescending prick!
Christ I'm angry at that and at least Mark has the last laugh as most Aussies are now crying over the Abbott and Turnbull mess they made of the NBN.
Christ I'm pissed!!!
The best bit is yet to come. It has to be sold. Won't recoup the money "invested" in the construction and a sizeable part of it has to be redone. Not just the technology mix either, but kilometres of fibre which wasn't laid correctly so is degrading.
The whole thing is a bipartisan cockup of magnificent proportions.
And a failure by both parties to identify internet as a utility, not a service.
Really you have to look at the history of privatisation in this country and wonder why the fuck we haven't learned anything about mitigating the worst of it.
$50B for a FTTP network is looking like a bargain.
It was never going to be only $50 billion and it was unnecessary given the market was already investing in building out infrastructure.
It was so obvious and this isn't even the benefit of hindsight:
- Don't merge Telecom.
- Don't sell the wholesale side of Telstra.
- Don't let the ACCC force Telstra to provide preferential access to competing ISPs.
- Don't think as a politician you know better how to build infrastructure.
- Don't try to keep it off the books by selling bonds, mandating a market return and legislating that it had to be sold.
- Don't come up with a hamfisted technology mix to attempt to redress the business case shortcomings.
A massive white elephant that will have to be redone at the end of it.
From a SMH article almost two years ago:
A strategic review commissioned by Turnbull revised the peak funding requirement of the FTTP model to $72.6 billion (which was probably still conservative) and estimated the MTM approach would require peak funding of $41 billion and deliver an IRR of between 3.1 per cent and 5.3 per cent.
As the roll-out has continued, the peak funding requirement has been pushed up to $49 billion and the estimated IRR range down to between 3.2 per cent and 3.7 per cent. Even at the original 7 per cent, NBN CO would have been generating a return well below its weighted average cost of capital – destroying taxpayer value in the process.
So, the simple conclusion is that, in whatever form it was built, the NBN was never a commercially economic business.
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@Crucial said in Google wifi:
I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.I picked this up on your recommendation as I wanted better coverage now I'm working from home a lot, and some rooms had a dodgy signal. Didn't want to fork out for Google WiFi!
It's fantastic thank you! I wired it straight into the Fibre ONT on the wall so ditched the dodgy old router that 2 Degrees gave me. That immediately boosted my speeds from an average of 40/20 to 100/20 which is crazy. Not sure if that was due to the old router or a dodgy cable but it's made a monumental difference.
Was very easy to set up as well, and the app is nice.
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@No-Quarter said in Google wifi:
@Crucial said in Google wifi:
I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.I picked this up on your recommendation as I wanted better coverage now I'm working from home a lot, and some rooms had a dodgy signal. Didn't want to fork out for Google WiFi!
It's fantastic thank you! I wired it straight into the Fibre ONT on the wall so ditched the dodgy old router that 2 Degrees gave me. That immediately boosted my speeds from an average of 40/20 to 100/20 which is crazy. Not sure if that was due to the old router or a dodgy cable but it's made a monumental difference.
Was very easy to set up as well, and the app is nice.
I had similar. The ISP supplied wifi units generally have shit range at 5Ghz meaning that you tend to hook into the 2.4 which is slower.
Happy that you've had a good result. Plenty of people moan about supposed shit internet when it is their home equipment that is doing the choking.
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@Crucial said in Google wifi:
@No-Quarter said in Google wifi:
@Crucial said in Google wifi:
I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.I picked this up on your recommendation as I wanted better coverage now I'm working from home a lot, and some rooms had a dodgy signal. Didn't want to fork out for Google WiFi!
It's fantastic thank you! I wired it straight into the Fibre ONT on the wall so ditched the dodgy old router that 2 Degrees gave me. That immediately boosted my speeds from an average of 40/20 to 100/20 which is crazy. Not sure if that was due to the old router or a dodgy cable but it's made a monumental difference.
Was very easy to set up as well, and the app is nice.
I had similar. The ISP supplied wifi units generally have shit range at 5Ghz meaning that you tend to hook into the 2.4 which is slower.
Happy that you've had a good result. Plenty of people moan about supposed shit internet when it is their home equipment that is doing the choking.
Fuck it, I'm going to pull the trigger on this as well. Kids are murdering my bandwidth.
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Having to reset my router most mornings at the moment. And with the online learning meetings, youtube, xbox, work meetings on top of the normal devices (iPhones, iPads, Laptops, etc) my setup is under strain.
Add in concrete floors, multiple stories, and spotty 5Ghz deadzones, its been long overdue an upgrade. I tried a cheap extender as a stopgap, and it improved things but not enough.
Like the look of those parental controls as well.
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@Kirwan said in Google wifi:
Having to reset my router most mornings at the moment. And with the online learning meetings, youtube, xbox, work meetings on top of the normal devices (iPhones, iPads, Laptops, etc) my setup is under strain.
Add in concrete floors, multiple stories, and spotty 5Ghz deadzones, its been long overdue an upgrade. I tried a cheap extender as a stopgap, and it improved things but not enough.
Like the look of those parental controls as well.
When you upgrade and you let us know what you do?
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@Hooroo Sure, but I'm just following Crucial's advice, he's the expert.
I've had my eye on the mesh network solution for a while to get rid of the deadspots. Kids are getting to the age that I want more options for parental controls as well to automate downtime, particuarly at night.
And I spend a lot of time on VOIP calls, so that has to be rock solid regardless of what the kids are doing. And in the current circumstance I don't want to take anything away from them, and in some cases it's necessary anyway (eg my daughter had a music lesson online today)
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@Kirwan the VOIP calls is what pushed me to get it. I set myself up a nice quiet corner of the house for working but kept getting the robotic voice whenever I was on calls so had to keep running closer to the router.
I only got it for the increased coverage, the speed boost was an unexpected (big) bonus. Couldn't guarantee that would happen for everyone though.
Are you on fibre?
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@No-Quarter yeah on 1GB with Orcon, so should have plenty of bandwidth!
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Sorry to spam you, but about to upgrade with parental controls and wanted some feedback from people with these.
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How do the parental controls work - are they per device, or do people have a login to get onto WiFi and then limit it that way?
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What's the drill with Fibre connectivity and VOIP. We've got 1GB from Slingshot, and a VOIP phone -- can this replace our Slingshot modem, or do we wind up with the Slingshot modem hard wired to both the VOIP phone and the Deco?
Finally, would yo ulook at anything else or is this the good oil to buy. I'm particularly keen on the parental controls, but a better network futureproofs the house for when video gets streamed all over the place
cheers
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@nzzp said in Google wifi:
Sorry to spam you, but about to upgrade with parental controls and wanted some feedback from people with these.
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How do the parental controls work - are they per device, or do people have a login to get onto WiFi and then limit it that way?
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What's the drill with Fibre connectivity and VOIP. We've got 1GB from Slingshot, and a VOIP phone -- can this replace our Slingshot modem, or do we wind up with the Slingshot modem hard wired to both the VOIP phone and the Deco?
Finally, would yo ulook at anything else or is this the good oil to buy. I'm particularly keen on the parental controls, but a better network futureproofs the house for when video gets streamed all over the place
cheers
Best to check with ISP on how they manage VOIP phones. Usual install for Fibre has a separate 'phone' connection to the ONT. That should be a direct VOIP line.
I haven't used the parental controls but I believe that you set up various profiles in the network and assign them to devices e.g. one kids device could be on an under 8 profile and another on an under 16. You control what the profiles can access. You can also block certain sites individually.
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@nzzp said in Google wifi:
Sorry to spam you, but about to upgrade with parental controls and wanted some feedback from people with these.
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How do the parental controls work - are they per device, or do people have a login to get onto WiFi and then limit it that way?
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What's the drill with Fibre connectivity and VOIP. We've got 1GB from Slingshot, and a VOIP phone -- can this replace our Slingshot modem, or do we wind up with the Slingshot modem hard wired to both the VOIP phone and the Deco?
Finally, would yo ulook at anything else or is this the good oil to buy. I'm particularly keen on the parental controls, but a better network futureproofs the house for when video gets streamed all over the place
cheers
For the parental controls, you set up a profile that includes general filters, as well as the ability to block specific sites. You can also set times they are allowed internet access, and can pause it whenever you want. Then you add the devices they use to that profile. It's easy to add/remove devices so if they logged onto your laptop you could quickly add it to their profile while they are on.
I would 100% recommend getting a mesh network. I had an extender before and we had no end of problems with it - extenders create a 2nd SSID that your devices are meant to switch between but it is not seamless at all, I found my phone regularly losing internet access etc.
The mesh network has been seamless so far, no internet drops and we can all now stream without any issues at any part of the house, including the back of the yard. It's solved all of our internet woes.
Whether this product is better than others, I don't know as I haven't tested others. But it's great value and has really positive reviews online so I don't think you can go too wrong with it.
Regarding the VOIP phone, I'm not sure sorry. When I mentioned VOIP I meant making calls from my work Laptop which has been way better since getting this.
As I said I ditched my 2 Degrees router altogether. On the Deco I just had to change the encapsulation to PPPoE, the VLAN ID to 10 (NZ Spark option on the menu), and enter my username/password. That's probably the same for all Fibre connections but your ISP would hopefully have some instructions on their website.
Maybe the VOIP phone could be connected to the Deco? It has an extra Ethernet port on the back, but probably worth checking with the ISP as @Crucial says.
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@Kirwan said in Google wifi:
So far so good, very happy with the iOS app and the setup was a doddle.
Is there anywhere where it tells you if the slave is too far away? Or any diagram of what sort of coverage you can get?
I just used an app I had that gives continuous signal readings. Could see where the drop off started then picked a spot and tested the next range. Depending on house layout you may have to try a couple of places.
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What I find "amusing" with the Deco app is what I'm doing now. I'm in the office (work) log in and see the traffic by device.
Who's that cheating bitch Alexa talking to when I'm not home?
The only issue I've had with it is one Chrome cast which will not upgrade to the Deco network. I have two Chromecast the other nah. I delete the old network and then go and try to load Deco and it has "remembered" the old one. Frustrating as I have to remember to switch my casting device to the old network, but in the bigger scheme of things I get 500 mps drinking beer out in the back garden. Great product
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Told you all it was a game changer.
If you are like me you will wonder why you tolerated the crap you had before.
At the price it is brilliant, especially when you compare to those expensive high end routers with multiple adjustable aerials. I was even looking at attaching an outdoor aerial at one point until I 'discovered' these.
My only problem was reconfiguring the Sonos setup to work from them (which I described in another thread). Basically to do with the Deco creating its own subnet so you need to ensure that the Sonos system is also onboard completely
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@Crucial said in Google wifi:
My only problem was reconfiguring the Sonos setup to work from them (which I described in another thread). Basically to do with the Deco creating its own subnet so you need to ensure that the Sonos system is also onboard completely
Hard wire one of the Sonos. Never worry about the wifi again.