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@Kirwan said in British Politics:
Read her press release. She wants (pointlessly IMO) gender analysis to help woman affected by the crisis.
How about we just help those most affected, regardless of their gender? Controversial I know.
I get that. Im just pointing out that she is specifically replying to, and commenting on, a report about women. She hasn't started the conversation.
The same issues are happening in NZ. Groups are asking for data and analysis on their specific target areas so they can act based on knowledge. I don't see what she has done that is so wrong.
The general point about equivalence of focus is not incorrect, just using this release to mount an attack in support.By all means help everyone in the areas where needs are the same, there is nothing wrong in targeting special needs by gender/race etc if they exist.
If there is evidence that specific needs of men are being ignored, then use that to make the point.
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@Kirwan said in British Politics:
Read her press release. She wants (pointlessly IMO) gender analysis to help woman affected by the crisis.
How about we just help those most affected, regardless of their gender? Controversial I know.
It's remarkably tone deaf. Thousands of people dying and she wants people to worry about the pandemic's effect on women receiving education or getting meaningful employment.
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@antipodean said in British Politics:
@Kirwan said in British Politics:
Read her press release. She wants (pointlessly IMO) gender analysis to help woman affected by the crisis.
How about we just help those most affected, regardless of their gender? Controversial I know.
It's remarkably tone deaf. Thousands of people dying and she wants people to worry about the pandemic's effect on women receiving education or getting meaningful employment.
Whoosh. I give up.
She’s replying to a specific report that is under the cover of her job as a shadow minister.
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@Kirwan said in British Politics:
@Crucial you know she doesn’t have to comment on everything right?
When it’s an official report directed at her department then she’s doing her job.
I must admit I am stupid to be surprised in this day and age how quickly social media will make 2+2=5.
This would, in any normal time, be treated for what it is rather than a tone deaf slight on something else.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@Kirwan said in British Politics:
Read her press release. She wants (pointlessly IMO) gender analysis to help woman affected by the crisis.
How about we just help those most affected, regardless of their gender? Controversial I know.
It's remarkably tone deaf. Thousands of people dying and she wants people to worry about the pandemic's effect on women receiving education or getting meaningful employment.
Whoosh. I give up.
Perhaps the problem isn't with those reading your responses, rather your ability to cogently craft them?
She’s replying to a specific report that is under the cover of her job as a shadow minister.
So in a 60 page report covid-19 is mentioned twice - how many tweets of the report's findings has she made?
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
@Kirwan said in British Politics:
@Crucial you know she doesn’t have to comment on everything right?
When it’s an official report directed at her department then she’s doing her job.
I must admit I am stupid to be surprised in this day and age how quickly social media will make 2+2=5.
This would, in any normal time, be treated for what it is rather than a tone deaf slight on something else.
Sorry, I cannot disagree more.
Timing is everything. You guys are quite isolated from the direct effects of Covid in NZ (not indirect though of course), it's bloody brutal over here. Everybody takes some time out each day to see what the death toll is. And it's still around 500. Every single day. You cannot fathom that, until you are in the middle of it. Granted, I understand your son is here so I'm sure you have perhaps a bit more feeling than some, but where I live for example (Surrey), the death toll is over 1,000. St Peters hospital is around 5 miles from my house - they are over 200. You cannot understand what this does to your mentality if you aren't in the middle of it.
So on topic, I've been impressed so far with Starmer. I'm centre right generally, which means I can potentially vote for Labour. If you'd told me 3 years ago I'd be voting for Boris, I'd have laughed my head off. But this shows you just how far Labour had gone left, and silly idiotic left, not just left. And it was all down to Corbyn. So I find it massively refreshing to see Starmer's approach.
And then I see this. Which I see right after they launch a press release about how lack of PPE affects woman more (more woman nurses etc). Which I also see a couple of days after the worlds biggest waste of fucking space London mayor Khan launches his campaign about how we MUST look at how Covid is affecting BAME.
Seriously??? this fucking thing is killing mostly, white men. Thats right, white men. Why aren't I reading from everywhere about where is the research as to why this is killing white men?
You are correct, she's doing her job. But she didn't need to release this. Every death is important. Protecting everybody is important. But that's not what Labour is projecting at the moment. And it wipes out every bit of good I see being done for the party from Starmer.
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Fair play to Sturgeon, she's a good sport
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
So on topic, I've been impressed so far with Starmer. I.... find it massively refreshing to see Starmer's approach. > And then I see this
He's a big improvement, but many would say a pig's bladder on a stick would be an improvement on Corbyn...
He's got huge problems to resolve with the Labour Party and it's reputation with the UK public, and I'm not sure how well a rich London lawyer who wants a policy of free movement of people with Europe is going to go down well and be trusted in former Labour heartlands. And that's before some his more questionable decisions when he was Head of the DPP start being investigated.
But getting Labour to being a half-electable and responsible Opposition would be some achievement for the man.
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@MiketheSnow that Diane Abbot is a sneaky mofo.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Does this get filed under 'Government Lying' or 'Complete and utter thickfuckery' please?
On a serious note, other than this gaffe he gave cogent and succinct answers to all the medical questions. Not sure the UK press appreciated the fact there were simple and rational answers for various scandalous actions!
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Oh good sounds like a great idea with everything the way it is. Labour MP saying the UK should put a halt to the small arms trading with the USA which earns the UK billions and billions of pounds.
True I'm sure that is a massive issue for black lives in the states and hey why would the UK need billions of pounds?
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@Bones said in British Politics:
Oh good sounds like a great idea with everything the way it is. Labour MP saying the UK should put a halt to the small arms trading with the USA which earns the UK billions and billions of pounds.
True I'm sure that is a massive issue for black lives in the states and hey why would the UK need billions of pounds?
The sheer fuckwittery of some of these people jumping on the latest protest bandwagon is truly awesome. Some stupid shouty woman claiming she is braving the coronavirus because the issue is more important than her life. What about everyone else’s life you might contaminate bitch?
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
I understand police removed the British lads protecting the Winston Churchill memorial to placate the rioters.
Seems to sum up the current state of Britain.
You understand wrong. Many things happened yesterday but this wasn't one of them.
Many things happened over the weekend - all of which would have happened regardless of the times we are in. Brexit, Covid should be the story of the moment, but of course, in Britain, there is always something else for people to get pissed off about.
Lots of commentators taking their own view on things, of which most are providing on very small snippets of video / information. BBC is taking an absolute pounding at the moment for this tweet
I can see both sides. There were huge protests yesterday all over the country. Even in my town, there was one. It went through smoothly, no issues. This is what happened in most of the country. It's not an overestimate to say that 99% of the protestors were of the right spirit.
However of course, that 1% is getting all the coverage. And rightly so. Ultimately, the police showed very little backbone over the weekend, which is what @Rembrandt is getting at. And that is what is getting peoples backs up. However, I think it's super important at the moment to try and show some restraint. It's a pretty big, and bad, situation at the moment and any fanning of the flames could well cause things to explode. I haven't read one single statement over the weekend about excessive police force. Not one. The government, although condemning many things, and have never once talked about losing the right to protest. Thats a pretty big step. The police, by and large have been bystanders and have allowed perhaps a little more leeway than most of us are comfortable with. But remember this started about because of excessive police force. The MET are perhaps demonstrating that this problem isn't here.
Ultimately, the people that have come out of this looking the worst are those protestors who tried to cause riots. And that's exactly as it should be.
Oh, and Anthony Joshua. But that is perhaps for another post.
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