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@Winger said in US Politics:
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
know very little about Biden, but the criticism I have seen is largely about him being old and doddery rather than corrupt.
Google "Biden Ukrainian Oil"
Some seriously dodgy family business dealings
Biden's corrupt for sure.
He did (and bragged about it on tape) what Trump was accused of.
Trump needs to smash the scum who have gone after him.
Not with lies (that the Democrat leaders and fake news media knew were lies) that they threw at Trump. But with truth.Right, trump and truth. Good luck with that.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
know very little about Biden, but the criticism I have seen is largely about him being old and doddery rather than corrupt.
Google "Biden Ukrainian Oil"
Some seriously dodgy family business dealings
Biden's corrupt for sure.
He did (and bragged about it on tape) what Trump was accused of.
Trump needs to smash the scum who have gone after him.
Not with lies (that the Democrat leaders and fake news media knew were lies) that they threw at Trump. But with truth.Right, trump and truth. Good luck with that.
Trump doesn't need to rely on lies to take his enemies down. That's the fortunate position he's in. He been investigated (costing many millions) for years and nothing was found. And what was found on his contacts (not him) is now slowly being discredited (like Flynn). But he must have a gold mine of real evidence on his opponents by now. (Biden for one of course helps by shooting his mouth off).
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@mariner4life Yeah I know, it’s not funny anymore. Everyone is sick of it all over the world and if the people are not turned loose, if they don’t stop sitting on the safety valve and let some pressure off the people, everyone is going to explode and what happens is going to be worse than ANY disease.
Anything can set it off, Like what is already happening in the US:
https://www.ibtimes.com/clashes-outside-white-house-us-cities-under-curfew-2984800
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@Ihadit Given what happened in Minneapolis and the state of US race relations, exacerbated by the greatest President ever in the world who has done more for blacks even than that fulla Abe - you were always going to get demonstrations and riots. COVID not to blame there.
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wow
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@Frank An interesting video, thanks for sharing.
My issue came when I looked at his social feed. He's a big Trump guy, with the same hacky cartoons and attacks on Biden and Obama as Hannity and the other Trump cheerleaders. 100% it affects how I view his statements in the video. Can I trust him to be impartial, and not cherry-pick statistics to that support his political perspective? I'm not sure I can.
And before you ask I'd be exactly the same if it was someone from the other side raising the opposite side of the issue.
It's my broader issue with US political discussion, everyone is so far in their own corners you don't know what/who to actually trust when it comes to complex issues like this.
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@barbarian said in US Politics:
@Frank An interesting video, thanks for sharing.
My issue came when I looked at his social feed. He's a big Trump guy, with the same hacky cartoons and attacks on Biden and Obama as Hannity and the other Trump cheerleaders. 100% it affects how I view his statements in the video. Can I trust him to be impartial, and not cherry-pick statistics to that support his political perspective? I'm not sure I can.
And before you ask I'd be exactly the same if it was someone from the other side raising the opposite side of the issue.
It's my broader issue with US political discussion, everyone is so far in their own corners you don't know what/who to actually trust when it comes to complex issues like this.
You've hit the nail on the head mate. So much of the US discussion is various groups screaming their own views, giving no consideration to the views of others. It's like the fringe has become the mainstream
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@barbarian
Oh indeed that true.
And the partisanship is worse and worse.
For example, I no longer consider the NY Times as anything more than a sophisticated liberal propaganda mechanism.I go with my gut, which of course means I am probably prejudiced as fuck - lol
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@Toddy said in US Politics:
What news source do people here use to follow what's going on in the States? I'm guessing most aren't impartial, but surely some must be better than others.
I'm currently subscribed to the WSJ and have been enjoying it so far.
Clearly I have to expand my reading. Is WSJ quite centrist?
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@dogmeat If I may, I would like to comment further;
Most if not all the protest in the US are in Democratically controlled cities and they are where lockdown measures have been most strictly enforced.
These Democratic Leaders, quick to fine and even jail average citizens for violating their lockdown edicts, have shown indecisiveness in action, excessive restraint in enforcing laws and protecting the people and their property, and otherwise exhibiting weak leadership abilities in dealing with the criminal arsonists and thieves that have infiltrated otherwise peaceful protesters, thereby emboldening them and making the situation much worse.
You may be right. What Trump has done may be more of the underlying factor than may first appear. It hasn’t just helped the blacks but other races as well including whites.
But...why is it spreading outside the US?
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@barbarian
Oh indeed that true.
And the partisanship is worse and worse.
For example, I no longer consider the NY Times as anything more than a sophisticated liberal propaganda mechanism.I go with my gut, which of course I am probably prejudiced as fuck - lol
I think we all have our inbuilt prejudices. But in the past everyone could accept certain truths, and there was a mutual respect for mainstream media. These days truth is what you make it. You can find an information source that echoes your own belief system. And that only makes people more extreme and less accepting of other viewpoints, believing those viewpoints to be nothing but lies
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@Toddy said in US Politics:
What news source do people here use to follow what's going on in the States? I'm guessing most aren't impartial, but surely some must be better than others.
I'm currently subscribed to the WSJ and have been enjoying it so far.
I just read an article on WaPo detailing how curfews have historically been implemented 'as a form of surveillance, control and criminalization of black people, indigenous people and other people of color.' Although interesting, I'm not sure how an example from 1690 is really relevant.
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@Ihadit c'mon - Fergusson Missouri ring a bell? Riots there went on for months and then sparked up again on the anniversary of Michael Brown's death. Not everything can be blamed on Corona virus.
The current rioting is far more to do with what is perceived of as centuries of oppression by authorities in the US and frustration that the situation is getting worse, not better. You can add in a large dollop of opportunistic looting but it's fuck all to do with people "exploding" because of a lockdown.
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You are most certainly entitled to your opinion sir, but I see it coming.
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/lockdown-frustration-is-at-an-all-time-high/ar-BB14spoG
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-depression-anxiety-spiked-coronavirus-lockdown.html
https://www.rt.com/news/488070-australia-us-coronavirus-suicide-spike/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/18/next-pandemic-crisis-mental-health-coronavirus-lockdown/
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
know very little about Biden, but the criticism I have seen is largely about him being old and doddery rather than corrupt.
Google "Biden Ukrainian Oil"
Some seriously dodgy family business dealings
Biden's corrupt for sure.
He did (and bragged about it on tape) what Trump was accused of.
Trump needs to smash the scum who have gone after him.
Not with lies (that the Democrat leaders and fake news media knew were lies) that they threw at Trump. But with truth.Piss off @Winger . Trump doesn't need to smash anything, he needs to shut the fuck up and listen for a change. Of course a lot of people have obvious axes to grind, but he's the guy who wanted to be president so he can suck that shit up, it comes with the territory. He should also be able to understand that many of the people who criticise him don't have axes to grind, they just disagree, that they're allowed to disagree, and that they may in fact be right. But no, rather than shut up for a moment and consider whether that might be the case he goes straight for the "smashing", which will wow the hell out of his dim minded cheerleaders and achieve fuck all.
BTW, if Trump doesn't need to rely on lies to take his enemies down, why does he tell so many? Is it a pathological thing? And what enemies? Why does he have enemies? Normal people don't have enemies. They have people they disagree with, people they don't like and who don't like them, people they can't respect. But enemies? Fuck off, what is he 12? he needs to grow up, and if you buy his bullshit, so do you.
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