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I actually think the far left defund the police, statue destruction, looting, burning of flags, cancel culture, problems with the BLM movement etc has handed Trump a potentially persuasive message to run on against Biden.
He will attempt to position himself as the defender of America and Biden as passive on these issues. While Biden is actually centrist, Trump will attempt to convince the public that Biden is too old, passive and dottery to know what the fuck is going on with these SJW groups. He will use the fear that these groups will take over if he is not re-elected.
Not saying the message is true, just that I think this will be the campaign's central message. And it might explain why the National Guard was not federalized to quell the rioting. Let the Dem Governors fail to contain it and try to pin it on them.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
He will attempt to position himself as the defender of America and Biden as passive on these issues. While Biden is actually centrist, Trump will attempt to convince the public that Biden is too old, passive and dottery to know what the fuck is going on with these SJW groups. He will use the fear that these groups will take over if he is not re-elected.
That's possibly Trump's best strategy but it may not stop Biden winning
My guess is voters will decide on who they think is the lesser buffoon & serial incompetent - Trump or Biden.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
He will attempt to position himself as the defender of America and Biden as passive on these issues. While Biden is actually centrist, Trump will attempt to convince the public that Biden is too old, passive and dottery to know what the fuck is going on with these SJW groups. He will use the fear that these groups will take over if he is not re-elected.
That's possibly Trump's best strategy but it may not stop Biden winning
My guess is voters will decide on who they think is the lesser buffoon & serial incompetent - Trump or Biden.
That's a bleak assessment of the conundrum for US voters who aren't part of Trump's hardcore support. Spot on though
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@Frank said in US Politics:
I actually think the far left defund the police, statue destruction, looting, burning of flags, cancel culture, problems with the BLM movement etc has handed Trump a potentially persuasive message to run on against Biden.
He will attempt to position himself as the defender of America and Biden as passive on these issues. While Biden is actually centrist, Trump will attempt to convince the public that Biden is too old, passive and dottery to know what the fuck is going on with these SJW groups. He will use the fear that these groups will take over if he is not re-elected.
Not saying the message is true, just that I think this will be the campaign's central message. And it might explain why the National Guard was not federalized to quell the rioting. Let the Dem Governors fail to contain it and try to pin it on them.
That's exactly where we went in his Mt Rushmore speech. First one I have listened to the entirety of in a few months now. A terrific speech, lays out exactly what you say, gives the listeners a quick history lesson on the men whose faces are carved into that mountain and gives the voters a simple choice.
Have to say though as good as the speech was he is showing signs of fatigue, no where near the energy of a few months back, a few word slurs (nothing dramatic, but definitely noticeable). I'll need to find a recent similar length Biden talk to compare to see if maybe his gaffs are overblown.
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
He will attempt to position himself as the defender of America and Biden as passive on these issues. While Biden is actually centrist, Trump will attempt to convince the public that Biden is too old, passive and dottery to know what the fuck is going on with these SJW groups. He will use the fear that these groups will take over if he is not re-elected.
That's possibly Trump's best strategy but it may not stop Biden winning
My guess is voters will decide on who they think is the lesser buffoon & serial incompetent - Trump or Biden.
That's a bleak assessment of the conundrum for US voters who aren't part of Trump's hardcore support. Spot on though
Looking from afar and only thru the media prism, you can't help but get the impression that US politics is currently defined by how much hate and scorn for Trump you can espouse. Not healthy.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
He will attempt to position himself as the defender of America and Biden as passive on these issues. While Biden is actually centrist, Trump will attempt to convince the public that Biden is too old, passive and dottery to know what the fuck is going on with these SJW groups. He will use the fear that these groups will take over if he is not re-elected.
That's possibly Trump's best strategy but it may not stop Biden winning
My guess is voters will decide on who they think is the lesser buffoon & serial incompetent - Trump or Biden.
I wonder if push comes to shove Donny will try and get people to remember that the Democrats are for open borders and defunding the police and appeasing China.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
He will attempt to position himself as the defender of America and Biden as passive on these issues. While Biden is actually centrist, Trump will attempt to convince the public that Biden is too old, passive and dottery to know what the fuck is going on with these SJW groups. He will use the fear that these groups will take over if he is not re-elected.
That's possibly Trump's best strategy but it may not stop Biden winning
My guess is voters will decide on who they think is the lesser buffoon & serial incompetent - Trump or Biden.
That's a bleak assessment of the conundrum for US voters who aren't part of Trump's hardcore support. Spot on though
Looking from afar and only thru the media prism, you can't help but get the impression that US politics is currently defined by how much hate and scorn for Trump you can espouse. Not healthy.
I've said it before, if Trump loses it will be less about Biden and more about how much the people despise him and want him out
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
He will attempt to position himself as the defender of America and Biden as passive on these issues. While Biden is actually centrist, Trump will attempt to convince the public that Biden is too old, passive and dottery to know what the fuck is going on with these SJW groups. He will use the fear that these groups will take over if he is not re-elected.
That's possibly Trump's best strategy but it may not stop Biden winning
My guess is voters will decide on who they think is the lesser buffoon & serial incompetent - Trump or Biden.
That's a bleak assessment of the conundrum for US voters who aren't part of Trump's hardcore support. Spot on though
Its not spot on. Its a nonsense assessment on Trump. For those who can't see the bigger picture. And maybe rely too much on the fake news media.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
This is the kind of strategy I think Republicans and Trump will follow.
Link Democrats to this kind of behavior.
This is an ad from the Senate Majority LeaderGood video. The crazy (and dangerous) Democrats have gifted the Republicans so much to use though. They will surely highlight the nursing home disgrace. This is scary. Yet 5 democrat governors did it.
Hers a part from Trumps (powerful) speech yesterday
In our schools, our newsrooms, even our corporate boardrooms, there is a new far-left fascism that demands absolute allegiance. If you do not speak its language, perform its rituals, recite its mantras, and follow its commandments, then you will be censored, banished, blacklisted, persecuted, and punished. It’s not going to happen to us. (Applause.)
Make no mistake: this left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American Revolution. In so doing, they would destroy the very civilization that rescued billions from poverty, disease, violence, and hunger, and that lifted humanity to new heights of achievement, discovery, and progress.
To make this possible, they are determined to tear down every statue, symbol, and memory of our national heritage.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
In our schools, our newsrooms, even our corporate boardrooms, there is a new far-left fascism that demands absolute allegiance. If you do not speak its language, perform its rituals, recite its mantras, and follow its commandments, then you will be censored, banished, blacklisted, persecuted, and punished. It’s not going to happen to us. (Applause.)
Make no mistake: this left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American Revolution. In so doing, they would destroy the very civilization that rescued billions from poverty, disease, violence, and hunger, and that lifted humanity to new heights of achievement, discovery, and progress.
To make this possible, they are determined to tear down every statue, symbol, and memory of our national heritage.
Read it in Obama's voice and see if the content holds up.
If you have the time and inclination, this interview articulates that the major problem in America isn't trump.
It's way worse than him.
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@Duluth that's a lot to draw on from a 3 letter word. Given the destruction and lawlessness that's dominated the landscape in the last month, it's not unreasonable to call these escalations and observations "new".
But that's quibbling because we're really referencing the speechwriter, not actually Donald.
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@Siam said in US Politics:
that's a lot to draw on from a 3 letter word
Judging on his actions over the last few years. Mis diagnosing the problem is serious if you want to actually fix things
But you are correct, speeches are not important actions are. He hasn't done shit and his supporters keep giving him a pass.
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@Duluth yep, it's just effective politicking, not actual problem solving. Pointing out the failings of the opposition is fair game though, and always has been.
It's always hard to judge but if the republicans can focus on the behaviour and false rhetoric of the dems, then it somewhat resembles the last election in Britain, in my opinion. Will the people trust the left in charge like Britain didn't? -
@Siam said in US Politics:
@Duluth yep, it's just effective politicking, not actual problem solving. Pointing out the failings of the opposition is fair game though, and always has been.
Sure, I agree with that. Some people taking a victory lap over more empty words is what I disagree with. He had 2 years in control of the Government and he wasted it and since then all he has done is whined
I don't agree with Trump's illiterate economic policies but he has the correct enemies on the culture. Early in his administration he had people who had aggressive solutions. They weren't listened too and were among the long list of people sacked (and some didn't have offical roles but were also not listened to)
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It's so hard to gauge the feeling in America when we're really only subjected to the 8% noisey ones.
I suspect, like Britain, the quiet voter who never expresses an opinion online is the winning and losing of an election nowadays.
So as a party do you promote what you'll do in charge, or what they'll do in charge to the electorate?
Given the dearth of deep debate and the appetite for explaining rational policies, I think both parties will focus on the "look at them" approach for the next 4 months. That'll be depressing.
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
that's a lot to draw on from a 3 letter word
Judging on his actions over the last few years. Mis diagnosing the problem is serious if you want to actually fix things
But you are correct, speeches are not important actions are. He hasn't done shit and his supporters keep giving him a pass.
Hes done a large amount considering hes been under attack from the word go. Like
-Exposing the democrats and China. As the democrats and their media shout Russia Russia Russia
-Exposing the fake news media
-New US / Canada trade agreement that protects the US worker from cheap slave labor imported parts. So Canada imports from China and assemble a product that use to qualify as Canadian made
-Withdrawal from WHO and climate change agreements
-Border wall (progress only) and changes in immigration
-Appointing proper judges
-Start the process of bringing the troops homeTrump has a chance to change the world for the better. It was easy to just continue selling the US out. And serve the elite. Trump has moved in a different direction (that I support) but obviously has encountered huge resistance from these powerful elite
and he now has the structure in place (this was the key as it wasn't ever going to be completed in 4 years) to complete the job
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
that's a lot to draw on from a 3 letter word
Judging on his actions over the last few years. Mis diagnosing the problem is serious if you want to actually fix things
But you are correct, speeches are not important actions are. He hasn't done shit and his supporters keep giving him a pass.
Hes done a large amount considering hes been under attack from the word go. Like
-Exposing the democrats and China. As the democrats and their media shout Russia Russia Russia
-Exposing the fake news media
-New US / Canada trade agreement that protects the US worker from cheap slave labor imported parts. So Canada imports from China and assemble a product that use to qualify as Canadian made
-Withdrawal from WHO and climate change agreements
-Border wall (progress only) and changes in immigration
-Appointing proper judges
-Start the process of bringing the troops homeTrump has a chance to change the world for the better. It was easy to just continue selling the US out. And serve the elite. Trump has moved in a different direction (that I support) but obviously has encountered huge resistance from these powerful elite
and he now has the structure in place (this was the key as it wasn't ever going to be completed in 4 years) to complete the job
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