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It's so hard to gauge the feeling in America when we're really only subjected to the 8% noisey ones.
I suspect, like Britain, the quiet voter who never expresses an opinion online is the winning and losing of an election nowadays.
So as a party do you promote what you'll do in charge, or what they'll do in charge to the electorate?
Given the dearth of deep debate and the appetite for explaining rational policies, I think both parties will focus on the "look at them" approach for the next 4 months. That'll be depressing.
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
that's a lot to draw on from a 3 letter word
Judging on his actions over the last few years. Mis diagnosing the problem is serious if you want to actually fix things
But you are correct, speeches are not important actions are. He hasn't done shit and his supporters keep giving him a pass.
Hes done a large amount considering hes been under attack from the word go. Like
-Exposing the democrats and China. As the democrats and their media shout Russia Russia Russia
-Exposing the fake news media
-New US / Canada trade agreement that protects the US worker from cheap slave labor imported parts. So Canada imports from China and assemble a product that use to qualify as Canadian made
-Withdrawal from WHO and climate change agreements
-Border wall (progress only) and changes in immigration
-Appointing proper judges
-Start the process of bringing the troops homeTrump has a chance to change the world for the better. It was easy to just continue selling the US out. And serve the elite. Trump has moved in a different direction (that I support) but obviously has encountered huge resistance from these powerful elite
and he now has the structure in place (this was the key as it wasn't ever going to be completed in 4 years) to complete the job
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
that's a lot to draw on from a 3 letter word
Judging on his actions over the last few years. Mis diagnosing the problem is serious if you want to actually fix things
But you are correct, speeches are not important actions are. He hasn't done shit and his supporters keep giving him a pass.
Hes done a large amount considering hes been under attack from the word go. Like
-Exposing the democrats and China. As the democrats and their media shout Russia Russia Russia
-Exposing the fake news media
-New US / Canada trade agreement that protects the US worker from cheap slave labor imported parts. So Canada imports from China and assemble a product that use to qualify as Canadian made
-Withdrawal from WHO and climate change agreements
-Border wall (progress only) and changes in immigration
-Appointing proper judges
-Start the process of bringing the troops homeTrump has a chance to change the world for the better. It was easy to just continue selling the US out. And serve the elite. Trump has moved in a different direction (that I support) but obviously has encountered huge resistance from these powerful elite
and he now has the structure in place (this was the key as it wasn't ever going to be completed in 4 years) to complete the job
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
You forgot "But Gorsuch"
Holy shit. The bot edited his post and added in the bit about judges
I start typing a post at times and it just disappears. The only was to recover it is to reply and submit and then edit
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@canefan
I reckon he might be trolling.
I think there are registration requirement deadlines, signatures to be collected etc., and he is rather late.He likes Trump so maybe. Or maybe he's over Trump now. Either way the guy is cray cray
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
that's a lot to draw on from a 3 letter word
Judging on his actions over the last few years. Mis diagnosing the problem is serious if you want to actually fix things
But you are correct, speeches are not important actions are. He hasn't done shit and his supporters keep giving him a pass.
Hes done a large amount considering hes been under attack from the word go. Like
Trump came out swinging in the primaries and made constant personal attacks on the other candidates. He then ramped that up in his campaign against Hilary. He's been on the attack from the word go, it's hardly surprising people have returned fire and some. He's been a key contributer to the partisan divide and the fake news in the States and he continues to feed the monster for his own gain.
That's not to absolve the left wing media outlets, they are just the worst, but this idea that he's been unfairly targeted and using that as an excuse for his lack of action is just pathetic. He's mostly just hot air.
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@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
that's a lot to draw on from a 3 letter word
Judging on his actions over the last few years. Mis diagnosing the problem is serious if you want to actually fix things
But you are correct, speeches are not important actions are. He hasn't done shit and his supporters keep giving him a pass.
Hes done a large amount considering hes been under attack from the word go. Like
Trump came out swinging in the primaries and made constant personal attacks on the other candidates. He then ramped that up in his campaign against Hilary. He's been on the attack from the word go, it's hardly surprising people have returned fire and some. He's been a key contributer to the partisan divide and the fake news in the States and he continues to feed the monster for his own gain.
That's not to absolve the left wing media outlets, they are just the worst, but this idea that he's been unfairly targeted and using that as an excuse for his lack of action is just pathetic. He's mostly just hot air.
Exactly this. Any suggestion that he’s been unfairly targeted in ludicrous.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Duluth said in US Politics:
@Siam said in US Politics:
that's a lot to draw on from a 3 letter word
Judging on his actions over the last few years. Mis diagnosing the problem is serious if you want to actually fix things
But you are correct, speeches are not important actions are. He hasn't done shit and his supporters keep giving him a pass.
Hes done a large amount considering hes been under attack from the word go. Like
-Exposing the democrats and China. As the democrats and their media shout Russia Russia Russia
-Exposing the fake news media
-New US / Canada trade agreement that protects the US worker from cheap slave labor imported parts. So Canada imports from China and assemble a product that use to qualify as Canadian made
-Withdrawal from WHO and climate change agreements
-Border wall (progress only) and changes in immigration
-Appointing proper judges
-Start the process of bringing the troops homeNone of those are achievements.
Trump has a chance to change the world for the better. It was easy to just continue selling the US out. And serve the elite. Trump has moved in a different direction (that I support) but obviously has encountered huge resistance from these powerful elite
Oh fuck off. Donald Trump is the very archetype of the powerful elite. He’s made no personal sacrifice. He’s got no concept of service or duty. He’s a bullshitter with an inheritance and a massive ego, who sucks in dimwits to believing his confidence tricks. You’d have to be stupid to fall for it and an absolute fuckwit to try and resell it for him.
and he now has the structure in place (this was the key as it wasn't ever going to be completed in 4 years) to complete the job
You mean he’s spent 4 years preparing for ... this? Seriously? What, is he Inigo Montoya?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
-New US / Canada trade agreement that protects the US worker from cheap slave labor imported parts. So Canada imports from China and assemble a product that use to qualify as Canadian made
The rules on assembly from 3rd-party countries in FTA's ("screwdriver factories") are pretty standard parts of any trade deal and have been for decades. Trump simply negotoiated a bog-standard trade deal.
-Exposing the fake news media
I agree that much of the reporting on Trump from the MSM has been fake news, but it's more the media exposed themselves than Trump doing anything other than wind them up.
Trump has certainly showed a lot more back-bone than Obama in foreign policy (though I'd argue that wouldn't be hard), has rightly called out the EU on its protectionist trade policy and his corporate tax reforms have merit.
But overall, he's been pretty poor at delivery - particularly since the Covid crisis hit.
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@JC said in US Politics:
Oh fuck off. Donald Trump is the very archetype of the powerful elite. He’s made no personal sacrifice. He’s got no concept of service or duty. He’s a bullshitter with an inheritance and a massive ego, who sucks in dimwits to believing his confidence tricks.
So not much different to Biden then - sadly for US voters
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