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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm starting to get a bit pessimistic about the whole thing. I am struggling to see how countries start to re-engage with each other, especially Australasia. We will re-enter the Northern winter soon, and things will kick off again.
At first i was hopeful if international travel by July next year. I'm now thinking at best a couple of "bubbles" by then.
I can't see how Governments find an end point, they've been painted in to a corner.
It would be nice to see or broadcast some " living with covid" ideas and strategies, and open up that possible solution. I'm sure someone somewhere is formulating preliminary scenarios.
That doesn't scare enough people for the media to explore though...
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Not hearing too much recently about the success story that is Sweden. No lockdown, economy keeping going etc. I wonder why? Just looked on the Worldometer site and (accepting that national comparisons are not everything), the deaths per 1M of population is around 558 whereas the other Scandi nations are all much lower. Finland below 90. Looks like the Swedish health expert who came out and said they got it wrong was spot on.
Edit: Norway and Finland below 60.
Sweden said they made a mistake by not protecting the vulnerable. But two options are
- Destroy the economy with a complete lock-down or
- Protect the vulnerable with strict measures plus sensible limited rules to protect everyone else (eg sick must stay at home, temperature readers etc) but let the rest get on with life
Options two seems the better one but sadly we seem to have nanny state leaders in the West now who are incapable of doing a sensible risk cost assessment. Edit And a public that in general support this. Until this changes this crap will continue
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life yeah aint much a picture anyone can paint right now, all we can hope is one or 2 of these vaccine trials work and doses are able to be rolled out pretty quickly.
My mother-in-law had returned to Scotland weeks before we went into lockdown, she usually comes over every other year, so Christmas 2021 is looking sketchy at present.
You have a lot of faith in vaccines. Yet we've had lots of vaccines (including a flu vaccine) for over 40 years and what happened.
Maybe boosting our in-built immune system may produce much better results. Like using vitamin C etc. Or doing what Trump did. It won't be recommended though because money
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Vitamin D for covid apparently. Get out in the sun.
That's pretty mainstream media so nobody will believe it though.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Vitamin D for covid apparently. Get out in the sun.
That's pretty mainstream media so nobody will believe it though.
Mrs Mariner gonna be immune then...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger not sure I get your point?
@Snowy I been taking Vit D for 12 months now, I havent got Covid...irrefutable evidence that it works!
I always got the colds and flu's in my 20s and early 30s. And bad too. It pissed me off.
Until i spoke to someone who hadn't had either for over 10+ years. Their solution. A healthy lifestyle and vitamin and mineral support. I rarely get a cold now (last bad one was over 5 years back). Last flu that I know of (lasted about 3 weeks) was over 30 years back
So unhealthy until I supported my in build immune system.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I always got the colds and flu's in my 20s and early 30s. And bad too. It pissed me off.
Until i spoke to someone who hadn't had either for over 10+ years. Their solution. A healthy lifestyle and vitamin and mineral support.Wow. Science aye?
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I always got the colds and flu's in my 20s and early 30s. And bad too. It pissed me off.
Until i spoke to someone who hadn't had either for over 10+ years. Their solution. A healthy lifestyle and vitamin and mineral support.Wow. Science aye?
How the fuck did you not know that? Seriously?Big Immune System keeping it a secret. Duh!
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@Winger Man I'm gonna regret this
What did Trump do? Other than show up (not all his own fault by any stretch) the total unpreparedness of the US and how entrenched partisan politics will fuck you over more than any virus.
By the by hardly anyone gets the flu nowadays. Mainly because it doesn't get a foothold in the community. Mainly because so many immunise.
I haven't had a bad cold since I came back to NZ 30 years ago. My unhealthy lifestyle and poor food and drink options scares the bejeezuz out of bugs. S.C.I.E.N.C.E.
@Snowy
The benefits of Vitamin D are pretty mainstream now though ehAs an aside listened to Infinite Monkey Cage on Life last night. Viruses don't meet the definition of a living organism - although the consensus is they are both living and dead all at once which is pretty damn clever
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The benefits of Vitamin D are pretty mainstream now though eh
Yes.
Are countries that have lower sunshine hours having worse rates of infection? Colder climes where people don't get out as much / aren't as exposed to the sun? I haven't seen too much about it WRT covid.@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Viruses don't meet the definition of a living organism - although the consensus is they are both living and dead all at once which is pretty damn clever
Wow. Learn something everyday. I thought that they were like a bacteria, in that they were alive.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
By the by hardly anyone gets the flu nowadays
Certainly not the case in the UK. It was often like a doctors clinic at work during winter
and this
How many people die from the flu each year and how is it prevented?
ANSWER
The CDC estimates that as many as 56,000 people die from the flu or flu-like illness each year.
and this
Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year.
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@Snowy They can't live outside their host cell They are inert chemical sequences of RNA or DNA. when it enters a host cell it sheds its coat, bares its genes and induces the cellโs own replication machinery to reproduce its DNA or RNA until it literally bursts the cell and goes looking for others.
So it reproduces but that's all it does. Most definitions for life include other characteristics like movement, growth and creation of energy.
So viruses are on the boundary of life. Strangely the most alive organisms are apparently simple amoeba - we are somewhere in the middle of the continuum.
At least that's what I took them to be saying. @Tim will probably debunk all the above
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger wow - so why didn't the greedy prick share the pill? If it was that straightforward why is he letting tens of thousands die and the US / global economy tank?
You know he did. But there is no money in Trumps method as the pill is cheap. But many took it
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@Winger Seriously as has been said many times here - I am old and stupid band obviously forgetful too.
It's not helped by the Don. I mean no one was going to catch it then a few and on and on and now he's saying it's going to get worse than it is now. Don't even get me started on whether to wear masks or not. Is it anti-American or essential? I've lost track TBH.
Why hasn't Trump at least shared the pill with his mate in Brazil? They're in a pretty bad way down there and they seem to have done everything Trump suggested.
So what is this cheap and incredibly effective pill of which you speak because in my dotage I've obviously missed it which is a bit embarrassing as I'm our Pandemic Manager.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger Seriously as has been said many times here - I am old and stupid band obviously forgetful too.
It's not helped by the Don. I mean no one was going to catch it then a few and on and on and now he's saying it's going to get worse than it is now. Don't even get me started on whether to wear masks or not. Is it anti-American or essential? I've lost track TBH.
Why hasn't Trump at least shared the pill with his mate in Brazil? They're in a pretty bad way down there and they seem to have done everything Trump suggested.
So what is this cheap and incredibly effective pill of which you speak because in my dotage I've obviously missed it which is a bit embarrassing as I'm our Pandemic Manager.
It was the red pill Doggers, you need to be in the know ๐
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Most definitions for life include other characteristics like movement, growth and creation of energy.
I suppose that is the crux - definition of life.
I found this definition and thought that a virus would fall into the "life" category:
"the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death."A successful virus doesn't kill all of its hosts for obvious reasons.
All QI really.
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