Coronavirus - Overall
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Deaths should be the metric not cases.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido To get a truer picture I’d like to see the graph for number of tests administered overlaid on those figures.
righto Trumpy
Weeeeell. There is a good chance that significantly greater numbers of tests might show an increase in positive cases. If it doesn’t then just blame it on China.
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@Catogrande Russisn numbers seem to go against that theory?
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@taniwharugby Trustworthy?
Edit: should also have said that it would really only be meaningful to compare Spain then and Spain now rather than v another country.
Still don’t trust any numbers coming from Pravda though 😬
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@Catogrande there is that...
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido To get a truer picture I’d like to see the graph for number of tests administered overlaid on those figures.
righto Trumpy
Weeeeell. There is a good chance that significantly greater numbers of tests might show an increase in positive cases. If it doesn’t then just blame it on China.
Dont know the answer to that. Did a quick search on testing rates. But on phone.
Looks like 5% of Spain tests are coming back positive.
Belgium at 2.5% , which is reassuringly blue.Belgian data up to 4 days ago, Spain up to 7 days old. Maybe this page is not that useful , for what is a less than 7 day trend.
For context UK is 0.4%, USA is 8.2%
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Jeezus. Looking at that site.
7 day average for Mexico is 80.1% of tests are positive!Could be that they're only testing people that are in hospital coughing their guts up? Numbers of tests being done/population might be an indicator of how bad that figure really is
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Covid has confirmed one thing. That the current "age" being known as the "information age" is the biggest misdemeanour of our time.
Yes, there is a lot of information. But it seems 90%+ of the information is either bullshit, opinion or statistically misleading. It seems the more we know, the stupider we are.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Jeezus. Looking at that site.
7 day average for Mexico is 80.1% of tests are positive!Could be that they're only testing people that are in hospital coughing their guts up? Numbers of tests being done/population might be an indicator of how bad that figure really is
Yeah, they've been openly criticized IIRC by WHO for their poor testing rate. I knew that they had inadequate testing. But still flabbergasted when I clicked that graphic.
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The same data (positive rate) in graph form.
Click + to add Mexico.Mexico are 150th in the world for tests per million of population. Sort this graph test per 1m column:
Another thing that Worldometer site shows is that Mexico have tested just over 1M people AND have just under half that as "cases". That would indicate that the testing is only currently being done at the more critical level, in which case the positive percentage would have to be huge. If you're only testing people that you're sure have got it...
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The same data (positive rate) in graph form.
Click + to add Mexico.Mexico are 150th in the world for tests per million of population. Sort this graph test per 1m column:
Another thing that Worldometer site shows is that Mexico have tested just over 1M people AND have just under half that as "cases". That would indicate that the testing is only currently being done at the more critical level, in which case the positive percentage would have to be huge. If you're only testing people that you're sure have got it...
This FT article, from a month ago.
Mexico is only counting cases and deaths that have been confirmed by a laboratory — and only 610,495 people have been tested. In part because of the low level of testing, some 67 per cent of tests come back positive — an indication that many more cases are being missed.
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@Rapido Yeah, so no effective testing regime. No wonder the positive percentages are ludicrous. It's the variance of all these factors that make comparisons between countries based on any single data point worthless. However I agree with your general gist that they do seem like they are royally fucking things up.
Surprised? No, me neither.
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@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
It's not true. As in seperate stats get released with covid deaths , currently mid 40k, and also another with 'covid mentioned on the death certificate ' which is about 10k higher in the mid 50ks. So its possible to have/had covid, then die, and not end up on covid death stats.
But UK definitely among the homest counters.
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In general tests/mill was a good indicator on how well authorities were responding to the crisis. Most countries showed a decrease in mortality rates as they moved from only testing those that presented to a more preventative campaign.
Now you have outliers like NZ who at one stage were in the top 20 testing nations but now struggle to get people to be swabbed.
Then you have the US who are testing but are taking so long to get the resukts back that they may as well not bother from a containment pov
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
I'm pretty sure that Public Health England does have a 'once a covid positive, always a covid death' methodology.
The Govt has asked it to produce corrected figures.
Don't hold your breath!
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
I'm pretty sure that Public Health England does have a 'once a covid positive, always a covid death' methodology.
The Govt has asked it to produce corrected figures.
Don't hold your breath!
@Rapido says not. I would like to know the sauce if only to shut up some idiot of a conspiracy theorist I know. Mind you he'll probably say it's all part of the grand plan