Coronavirus - Overall
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The same data (positive rate) in graph form.
Click + to add Mexico.Mexico are 150th in the world for tests per million of population. Sort this graph test per 1m column:
Another thing that Worldometer site shows is that Mexico have tested just over 1M people AND have just under half that as "cases". That would indicate that the testing is only currently being done at the more critical level, in which case the positive percentage would have to be huge. If you're only testing people that you're sure have got it...
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The same data (positive rate) in graph form.
Click + to add Mexico.Mexico are 150th in the world for tests per million of population. Sort this graph test per 1m column:
Another thing that Worldometer site shows is that Mexico have tested just over 1M people AND have just under half that as "cases". That would indicate that the testing is only currently being done at the more critical level, in which case the positive percentage would have to be huge. If you're only testing people that you're sure have got it...
This FT article, from a month ago.
Mexico is only counting cases and deaths that have been confirmed by a laboratory — and only 610,495 people have been tested. In part because of the low level of testing, some 67 per cent of tests come back positive — an indication that many more cases are being missed.
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@Rapido Yeah, so no effective testing regime. No wonder the positive percentages are ludicrous. It's the variance of all these factors that make comparisons between countries based on any single data point worthless. However I agree with your general gist that they do seem like they are royally fucking things up.
Surprised? No, me neither.
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@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
It's not true. As in seperate stats get released with covid deaths , currently mid 40k, and also another with 'covid mentioned on the death certificate ' which is about 10k higher in the mid 50ks. So its possible to have/had covid, then die, and not end up on covid death stats.
But UK definitely among the homest counters.
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In general tests/mill was a good indicator on how well authorities were responding to the crisis. Most countries showed a decrease in mortality rates as they moved from only testing those that presented to a more preventative campaign.
Now you have outliers like NZ who at one stage were in the top 20 testing nations but now struggle to get people to be swabbed.
Then you have the US who are testing but are taking so long to get the resukts back that they may as well not bother from a containment pov
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
I'm pretty sure that Public Health England does have a 'once a covid positive, always a covid death' methodology.
The Govt has asked it to produce corrected figures.
Don't hold your breath!
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido On another slant re the figures generally. Over here in the UK we have a pretty horrific death scale. There are suggestions though that we are counting ALL deaths where a person has tested positive for Covid as a Covid death. ie someone walks into a testing centre and gets a positive result and then gets run over by a lorry as she goes outside bingo! That's another Covid death. Whether this is in any way true or not I can't say but it does highlight that the methodology of deciding what is or is not a Covid death would make a significant difference to the figures.
I'm pretty sure that Public Health England does have a 'once a covid positive, always a covid death' methodology.
The Govt has asked it to produce corrected figures.
Don't hold your breath!
@Rapido says not. I would like to know the sauce if only to shut up some idiot of a conspiracy theorist I know. Mind you he'll probably say it's all part of the grand plan
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Just these, 2 figures occasionally get mentioned. Maybe it's the second figure conspiracists latch on to? But the covid tracking websites like worldometers and JHU have numbers matching the first.
Not something I've looked into. But clearly it is possible to die after testing positive and not end up as a UK covid death stat?
The UK government said 46,413 people had died in hospitals, care homes and the wider community after testing positive for coronavirus in the UK as of 5pm on Wednesday, up by 49 from the day before.
Separate figures published by the UK’s statistics agencies show there have now been 56,600 deaths registered in the UK where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate.
The government also said that in the 24-hour period up to 9am on Thursday, there had been a further 950 lab-confirmed cases. Overall, a total of 308,134 cases have been confirmed.
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
But in saying all that. I do have a hunch that UK counts more vigorously/generously, accurately/inaccurately than it's big western Europe peers of Framce, Spain, Italy.
Who does or doesn't count rest homes, for starters.
Well, they’re already in the departure lounge of God’s waiting room so why bother?
Probably.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido To get a truer picture I’d like to see the graph for number of tests administered overlaid on those figures.
a tidy graph of the 3 countries.
But, is data up to week old. -
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Covid has confirmed one thing. That the current "age" being known as the "information age" is the biggest misdemeanour of our time.
Yes, there is a lot of information. But it seems 90%+ of the information is either bullshit, opinion or statistically misleading. It seems the more we know, the stupider we are.
Misdemeanour? Misnomer? Anyway you are correct. Perhaps "bullshit information age" would be better.
All of the Covid numbers are so distorted by testing ratios and suspect government figures as to be meaningless.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Covid has confirmed one thing. That the current "age" being known as the "information age" is the biggest misdemeanour of our time.
Yes, there is a lot of information. But it seems 90%+ of the information is either bullshit, opinion or statistically misleading. It seems the more we know, the stupider we are.
Misdemeanour? Misnomer? Anyway you are correct. Perhaps "bullshit information age" would be better.
All of the Covid numbers are so distorted by testing ratios and suspect government figures as to be meaningless.
The good thing about this age is we can (still) find this out. Whereas before lies became accepted truths.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Covid has confirmed one thing. That the current "age" being known as the "information age" is the biggest misdemeanour of our time.
Yes, there is a lot of information. But it seems 90%+ of the information is either bullshit, opinion or statistically misleading. It seems the more we know, the stupider we are.
Misdemeanour? Misnomer? Anyway you are correct. Perhaps "bullshit information age" would be better.
All of the Covid numbers are so distorted by testing ratios and suspect government figures as to be meaningless.
The good thing about this age is we can (still) find this out. Whereas before lies became accepted truths.
You haven't heard of Facebook or Twitter?
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@antipodean The irony was it was @Winger who made that comment
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Maybe Trump was right about hydroxychloroquine. And Fauci and co wrong
But this is the great thing about the information age. People can be exposed to both sides. Sadly many still refuse to embrace the challenge of researching a topic and then thinking for themselves. But more and more are.
The latest international testing of hydroxychloroquine treatment of coronavirus shows countries that had early use of the drug had a 79% lower mortality rate than countries that banned the use of the safe malaria drug. This means that Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, the CDC, the liberal fake news media and the tech giants have been pushing a lie that has had deadly consequences!
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Maybe Trump was right about hydroxychloroquine. And Fauci and co wrong
But this is the great thing about the information age. People can be exposed to both sides. Sadly many still refuse to embrace the challenge of researching a topic and then thinking for themselves. But more and more are.
The latest international testing of hydroxychloroquine treatment of coronavirus shows countries that had early use of the drug had a 79% lower mortality rate than countries that banned the use of the safe malaria drug. This means that Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, the CDC, the liberal fake news media and the tech giants have been pushing a lie that has had deadly consequences!
Can you please at least try to post evidence from a study in a recognized medical journal? Or an article that quotes directly from a recognized journal? I clicked on that link and instantly had one of those roll my eyes moments