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I reckon some of you are being a bit tough. Every government around the world is learning on the job. This thing was always going to pop up again no matter what the government did. It's impossible to control, especially if there is an element of relying on people to do the right thing.
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@taniwharugby Exactly.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy by improving what was previously done - whether that is sorting weak links and/or follow the latest medical advice. But the overall intent is the same, rub it out and see how far we can take that.
For how long? I don't really want to leave the country but I'm sure that some do.
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@Paekakboyz problem is, I am not convinced they have learned much, and I honestly think even if we do get back to zero again, nothing short of shutting our borders will keep it out.
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@taniwharugby what is that based on? I don't think we've heard anywhere near the full story and details about systems improvements and all the stuff that would have changed or improved on the back of the new crew running quarantine. Lots of things got tightened up as part of that Covid oversight group - where Bridges did a pretty good job on the whole.
I agree that any form of keeping borders open has risk, and right now we are most likely dealing with something going wrong on that front. Mentioned that I agree with @Kirwan that we need a far tighter operation if we genuinely expect zero spread through returning folks. -
@Paekakboyz NZ but I won't be leaving my rural setting either if the government have anything to do with it.
Eventually people will want to travel again. So how long do we close the borders? Lock people up. It would seem that it can't be eliminated, so we do the same thing with the 3rd wave? Fourth? Fifth?
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@Snowy yeah I hear you on that front - it does feel open ended and probably will continue to do so until some kind of vaccine is available. I suspect quite a few people will be shy on travelling if shit continues to spin out overseas - and even if you are heading for a 'safe' country the whole travel side of it is scary.
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@Paekakboyz just based on the fcat we are now looking down the barrell of a 2nd lockdown.
There are so many people working in and around our borders who are not being tested, and in some cases it is probably nigh on impossible to test these regularly given the chance of regular exposure, meaning getting back to zero will be a 'yay for us again' with the inevitble positive test again in 4 weeks, 8 weeks or whenever.
There has to be a better way to manage this, it seems that our Govt has been sitting on thier hands waiting for this to happen or a vaccine is produced, given the lack of anything else about what the future might look like being discussed
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@taniwharugby agree about the risk but think it's pretty rough to say they've been sitting on their hands - in fact I'd imagine any number of folks involved in trying to get the system as watertight as possible would want to send you to Snowy's basement for that kind of call.
Surely there is a grey area where Govt and everyone involved is held to account alongside an understanding this is an unprecedented situation and no perfect approach has shown itself, or that anything close to perfect means locking us down fully. Which would in turn open up new avenues of criticism and conspiracy theories and so on.
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy yeah I hear you on that front - it does feel open ended and probably will continue to do so until some kind of vaccine is available. I suspect quite a few people will be shy on travelling if shit continues to spin out overseas - and even if you are heading for a 'safe' country the whole travel side of it is scary.
I wouldn't be getting in a tube full of people to go to somewhere on a disease infected planet with them either, but I don't see where it ends.
We now have local lock downs and police blockades. That's not going to work either. We have to become a completely free covid free zone and stop people coming in, or give up and let it happen.
I can't see middle ground.
How much faith does anyone have in a vaccine soon? Will it work if / when the virus evolves? Do we just do this whole thing again if that happens?
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@reprobate said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You silly fluffybunnies realise this is worse pretty much everywhere else right?
Yes. That is why we don't want to go there, you silly fluffybunny and take one of two tracks.
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