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@rotated said in Aussie Politics:
Unless you just love kicking Tories, it's hard to bag Abbott in one breath and Morrison in the other when stylistically they are polar opposites.
They have outstanding flaws that are equally worthy of criticism. Just because I omitted the Happy Clapper doesn't mean I'm thrilled with him.
Neither of them brought/are bringing the success or sustainability they promised as "good economic managers" because they really have no idea how and no desire to learn in a lobby-constrained house. Both will oppose any project that doesn't align with their personal beliefs, or whatever is inconvenient for the right of the LNP.
The difference is Abbott will fight on principles, even when they're shown to be utterly, inescapably wrong or antediluvian. Morrsion will flip-flop if it means he might be threatened for the top job. In that way, Morrision and Turnbull share a lot of political DNA.
What they've got in common is division politics in order to keep their lobby mates happy. Unfortunately for the people of Australia, the ALP don't have much different in terms of looking after lobby mates and entrenched industries that aren't going to keep the nation above the waterline.
Low risk politics with no desire for meaningful change is where Australia will sit until we're forced to move by the economics of other nations.
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@MajorRage said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
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@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
I think every Australian should watch this and then make up their minds from there.
Disclaimer: I didn't watch the whole thing.
Having got that out of the way. Being in your pyjamas, pregnant, having an appointment etc. aren't valid reasons to not be arrested for a crime. The police have a search warrant we can assume is safely constructed and duly authorised by a magistrate (admittedly not a high bar). And someone looks to have found out that Facebook isn't a lawless zone where you get o to say whatever you want without consequence.
There is the law and there is THE LAW.
You are correct, of course, but wouldn't it have been better to just scare the lady a bit and then let off with a warning?
Not if the consequences are as the authorities deem. One only has to look at the damage wrought on blameless individuals in Victoria as a result of others, so why would you encourage other people to freely mix when you've specifically told them not to? She's inciting people to commit a crime and wishy washy nonsense like "don't get violent and practise social distancing" isn't an excuse.
The only issue I have is the clear double standard with the BLM protest. Did they arrest the organiser of that?
Each to their own. You are legally and factually correct, in everything you say of course, but the whole thing looks a bit Orwellian to me.
7 months into various lockdowns, people are getting pretty pissed off.
It's Orwellian to me too. But unless they all decide to ignore the law, then their only alternative is to suck it up and vote this imbecile and his lackeys out at the next available opportunity. And demonstrate it in every poll leading up to the one that counts. Let them know they're facing electoral oblivion and why.
They're Victorians, so they won't. Most of them actually love a despot.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@MajorRage said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@MajorRage said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
I think every Australian should watch this and then make up their minds from there.
Disclaimer: I didn't watch the whole thing.
Having got that out of the way. Being in your pyjamas, pregnant, having an appointment etc. aren't valid reasons to not be arrested for a crime. The police have a search warrant we can assume is safely constructed and duly authorised by a magistrate (admittedly not a high bar). And someone looks to have found out that Facebook isn't a lawless zone where you get o to say whatever you want without consequence.
There is the law and there is THE LAW.
You are correct, of course, but wouldn't it have been better to just scare the lady a bit and then let off with a warning?
Not if the consequences are as the authorities deem. One only has to look at the damage wrought on blameless individuals in Victoria as a result of others, so why would you encourage other people to freely mix when you've specifically told them not to? She's inciting people to commit a crime and wishy washy nonsense like "don't get violent and practise social distancing" isn't an excuse.
The only issue I have is the clear double standard with the BLM protest. Did they arrest the organiser of that?
Each to their own. You are legally and factually correct, in everything you say of course, but the whole thing looks a bit Orwellian to me.
7 months into various lockdowns, people are getting pretty pissed off.
It's Orwellian to me too. But unless they all decide to ignore the law, then their only alternative is to suck it up and vote this imbecile and his lackeys out at the next available opportunity. And demonstrate it in every poll leading up to the one that counts. Let them know they're facing electoral oblivion and why.
They're Victorians, so they won't. Most of them actually love a despot.
Mathew Guy's Gaggle Of Imploding Clowns (undermined by their own administration) was lucky to finish second. When most Victorians think this vapid turd is actually the Liberal opposition leader, you've got optics problems:
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
It's Orwellian to me too. But unless they all decide to ignore the law, then their only alternative is to suck it up and vote this imbecile and his lackeys out at the next available opportunity. And demonstrate it in every poll leading up to the one that counts. Let them know they're facing electoral oblivion and why.
One or two catastrophic polls (like those for Morrison after the bushfires) would be enough to move the needle.
Generally Newspoll doesn't stuff around with state polling except for the run up and aftermath of elections in the largest states... but if they started monthly polling of Victoria I'd be interested to see the fall out. An example of the free and open press or just Murdoch having a whack at the left again?
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@rotated said in Aussie Politics:
Maybe one of the Aus based Ferners can comment, but from afar it does seem like the worm of public opinion is slowly turning around in regards to state border closures and the Victorian lockdown.
From what I see there is a lot of fatigue around lockdowns in general BUT a lot of Victorian public opinion is positive toward the lockdown, given the stats are moving in response.
yeah, i've heard three times today in different meetings people happy with between a few more weeks and a month of lockdown's if that's what was needed to more closely align us with the rest of the country
sorting it as much as possible before it gets warm is definitely the aim for a lot
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Politics:
yeah, i've heard three times today in different meetings people happy with between a few more weeks and a month of lockdown's if that's what was needed to more closely align us with the rest of the country
sorting it as much as possible before it gets warm is definitely the aim for a lot
The issue will be in a couple of weeks, when the weather gets warmer and outdoor activities start making people wistful.
If restrictions are eased and things aren't radically improving, we could see some snap back.
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@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
Watch with sound down if you prefer but the images of police militarisation are very similar to the USA.
Can't help but think there's a better way to police all this.
It's a tricky one. Those cops in all the gear are probably specialised crowd controllers. You have to equip them to do the job and a big part of that is giving them the gear to do their job safely.
Serious question - what is a better way to police things? Would you be happy for police to stand off to the side and let people flout lock down laws? Where do you allow the police to draw the line?
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Avi Yemini. Professional scumbag.
"Violently"? Bullshit - I got hit harder playing rugby on Saturday. Bet he hit his wife harder than that before she finally managed to get away from him:
He's not a "journalist" either. He's a fucking agitator who has climbed aboard the RWNJ bus as a way of grifting from idiots who will donate to his bullshit causes. If he and his mate holding the camera were legit, they should have had the necessary accreditation on display and stood by observing or interviewing.
If anyone deserves being violently arrested it is that twat, but that looked like a very efficient and safe apprehension from the police on a nice, soft surface, with as much due care as they could for a law breaker.
While I'd like to see the whole video, cynical me would say that he started being a right fluffybunny to those cops before he got put down, and then whatever he puts out later will be edited to shithouse.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Aussie Politics:
@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
Watch with sound down if you prefer but the images of police militarisation are very similar to the USA.
Can't help but think there's a better way to police all this.
It's a tricky one. Those cops in all the gear are probably specialised crowd controllers. You have to equip them to do the job and a big part of that is giving them the gear to do their job safely.
Serious question - what is a better way to police things? Would you be happy for police to stand off to the side and let people flout lock down laws? Where do you allow the police to draw the line?
You've got me there mate. I don't know enough about the situation on the ground, or the dangers posed. My reaction was to the optics, however deep or shallow that notion is.
My beef is not with the police on the front line following orders but their authoritarian bosses.But as a starting point for your question: how about they police them the same as they did for the blm protests? Less people and no history of violence in this instance.
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@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
@Crazy-Horse said in Aussie Politics:
@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
Watch with sound down if you prefer but the images of police militarisation are very similar to the USA.
Can't help but think there's a better way to police all this.
It's a tricky one. Those cops in all the gear are probably specialised crowd controllers. You have to equip them to do the job and a big part of that is giving them the gear to do their job safely.
Serious question - what is a better way to police things? Would you be happy for police to stand off to the side and let people flout lock down laws? Where do you allow the police to draw the line?
But as a starting point for your question: how about they police them the same as they did for the blm protests? Less people and no history of violence in this instance.
No argument from me. If only the world was void of politics...
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And for @mariner4life
This part made me chuckle: "Mr Dick admitted the state had been hit hard by the coronavirus – with 138,000 jobs lost since the pandemic began – but claimed the state's hard borders had helped the economic recovery"
Qld plunges further into debt as closed border hits tourism
Mark Ludlow
Sep 7, 2020 – 11.57am
Queensland's budget has been smashed by the impacts of the coronavirus and the state's hard border stance, with total debt to top $102 billion this financial year.With the state's tourism sector in freefall as Queensland remains cut off from NSW and Victoria, taxation revenue has been rewritten down by $6.7 billion, with coal royalties expected to fall a further $1.5 billion this financial year.
Queensland is expected to record a $13 billion deficit this financial year, with an estimated $9 billion deficit for 2019-20.
The state's total debt will top $100 billion this financial year – almost $19 billion higher than forecast in the mid-year budget update in December which was delivered before COVID-19.
With the Palaszczuk government attempting to win a third term in office at the October 31 election, Mr Dick has announced a further $4 billion in borrowings for an election kitty to be used for further economic stimulus in the next term of office.
Mr Dick admitted the state had been hit hard by the coronavirus – with 138,000 jobs lost since the pandemic began – but claimed the state's hard borders had helped the economic recovery.
This is despite the state's multi-tourism industry being on life support after the loss of both international and interstate visitors.
"There is no sugar coating the impact this pandemic had had on the lives and livelihoods of so many Queenslanders. COVID has taken its toll," he said.
"The states that have fared best are those that have controlled their borders, allowing them to open up their economies inside those borders."
Queensland's unemployment rate is expected to jump to 8.5 per cent this financial year – one of the highest in the nation – while the economy shrank 0.25 per cent last financial year and is forecast to contract 0.25 per cent this financial year.
Coal exports fell by 4.9 per cent in 2019-20 and are expected to fall a further 1 per cent in 2020-21, driven by weaker international demand.
Spot prices have also fallen by 22 per cent for coking coal and 33 per cent for thermal coal. The end result is a $1.5 billion write-down for coal royalties this financial year.
In a bid to keep businesses afloat, Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced a $250 million extension of its payroll tax relief scheme for small and medium-sized businesses with total wages of up to $6.5 million.
They now will not have to pay payroll tax for July and August. JobKeeper subsidies will also be exempt from payroll tax.
The policy will also allow businesses to pay off existing payroll tax deferred liabilities over the course of 2021 as well as extending rent relief for those renting state government premises.
In another controversial move, Mr Dick also announced a new $500 million Renewable Energy Fund to provide more subsidies for clean energy schemes to help the Labor government reach its 50 per cent renewable energy target by 2050.
The government subsidies will further anger those who believe coal-fired power is being squeezed out of the National Electricity Market.
After copping a barrage of criticism about not delivering a full budget this year, Mr Dick announced he will deliver a full budget on November 30 if the Palaszczuk government wins the election.
Mr Dick said the state's new $5 billion Queensland Future Fund – which will include $1 billion from the public servant Defined Benefits Scheme as well as some government assets including the Titles Registry and government-owned shares – will become active by June 30 next year.
The fund is taking some government assets off its book to make the state's budgetary position more attractive to credit rating agencies.
Despite the higher debt, Mr Dick said he did not think Queensland would have a further credit rating downgrade. It lost its AAA credit rating in 2009.
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@voodoo technically i guess he's right, we could be Victoria.
But this parroting that closing the border helps recovery is a bit fucking rich for those of us 2,100km away from Brisbane.
We in Qld do two things, dig stuff up and have nice places to holiday. If both of those things are fucked, then what?
The borders will magically re-open on November 1. The Gold Coast will go off, and during the tropical wet season no one will come north. awesome.
How are the economies faring in Europe where everything is open and people are moving around?
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@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA wow. Self appointed authority on journalism and wishing violence on someone not in breach of the laws of a country.
Progressive?
He's a self-appointed journalist, so I'll say what I like about the fluffybunny.
Having a channel for right wing click bait on YouTube makes you a journalist in much the same way playing prop makes me an All Black.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@voodoo technically i guess he's right, we could be Victoria.
But this parroting that closing the border helps recovery is a bit fucking rich for those of us 2,100km away from Brisbane.
We in Qld do two things, dig stuff up and have nice places to holiday. If both of those things are fucked, then what?
The borders will magically re-open on November 1. The Gold Coast will go off, and during the tropical wet season no one will come north. awesome.
Definitions of borders here have been fucking stupid too. Areas with lockdown where randomly done by council i.e Auckland.
We could have still used Franklin, Manukau, Auckland and Rodney, etc, as districts and not pissed off most of the population who weren't even remotely affected.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
@NTA wow. Self appointed authority on journalism and wishing violence on someone not in breach of the laws of a country.
Progressive?
He's a self-appointed journalist, so I'll say what I like about the fluffybunny.
Having a channel for right wing click bait on YouTube makes you a journalist in much the same way playing prop makes me an All Black.
He's employed by rebel media and apparently had permission credentials from the government.
But no matter, you win, I concede.
Not arguing with someone who publicly state they want the police to beat up anyone they disagree with.Are you OK?
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@Siam said in Aussie Politics:
He's employed by rebel media and apparently had permission credentials from the government.
Yet, there he is, getting arrested.
Why do you and @Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD think that is?
(Wait let me guess: Mick's answer is "African Gangs")
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