Coronavirus - New Zealand
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If they are going to continue with border quarantine, they need to set up a proper facility somewhere in the wops. Perhaps a military base. I'm sure hotels are loving sending mega invoices to the govt, but it's a ridiculous cost for taxpayers to bear, especially long term.
We'll never eliminate. We just need to manage the risk without bankrupting the country. Shutting down everything each time there are a handful of cases is a terrible strategy - the whole country shouldn't be punished because you have a group of dipshits like the church goers.
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The WHO definition of elimination is no endemic transmission for three years. Outbreaks of less than 12 months don't affect that status. Measles and Rubella are both officially eliminated, but occasionally still reappear from overseas sources. Perhaps that's aspirational for Covid, but is obviously more achievable than literally 0 community cases at all times.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The WHO definition of elimination is no endemic transmission for three years. Outbreaks of less than 12 months don't affect that status. Measles and Rubella are both officially eliminated, but occasionally still reappear from overseas sources. Perhaps that's aspirational for Covid, but is obviously more achievable than literally 0 community cases at all times.
That nice, what definition is the government using because the messaging keeps changing.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I needed to have a mask on when Ubering about.
Actually, you didn't. It is encouraged for passengers and mandatory for drivers. Lvl 2.5 has been a joke and pretty much totally ignored. The changing of the social distancing on public transport mid lockdown was ludicrous as well.
Of course losing half the Harbour Bridge was just the cherry on the top of 20fucking20.
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@taniwharugby I'm no engineer, but I'm guessing they would say that the fact that it is still standing shows the design worked.
It's not one of the main box girders and was hit by a container weighing around 2.3 tonnes I guess. Not really an anticipated event I imagine. My car was going into service in Grey Lynn today so I dropped it over last night and had the opportunity to see the girder while stuck in traffic. Again no engineer but I believe the terminology is totally fucking munted
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@dogmeat when building things I dont think Engineers always have a grasp on some of the peripheral stuff that can happen.
I mean the Te Matau Pohe bridge up here, designed by some engineers in Europe, didnt account for being able to lift the bridge when the temps got over 25deg and the steel expanded...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat when building things I dont think Engineers always have a grasp on some of the peripheral stuff that can happen.
I mean the Te Matau Pohe bridge up here, designed by some engineers in Europe, didnt account for being able to lift the bridge when the temps got over 25deg and the steel expanded...
It is usually that the tolerances are guesses and eventually something happens to prove or disprove the guess.
Ski lifts at Mt Ruapehu are a good example. The engineers from a major engineering firm that have designed and installed lifts all over the world struck problems there that they have never seen before from ice loading and shear winds.
My old man was a design engineer for HVAC in large complexes like shopping malls, which are never the same in their layouts, shapes etc. He would have to go and commission his own designs and the amount of fiddling around tolerance calculations was huge. And that's from something that you can test and model reasonably easily. -
@Virgil said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Rest of NZ probably wishes the Harbour Bridge collapsed completely into the sea trapping a big chunk of the population up here
As long as Aucklanders can still drive their SUVs to pick up their soy lattes they’ll be happy in isolation
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial I was being somewhat facetious, but there are some who are incredibly intelligent at what they do but sometimes lack the practicality when it comes to real world stuff.
I think extending that argument to one freak event in millions of vehicle crossings over 60 years is a bit of a push. Can't account for every possibility.
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@Crucial fair enough, but given the nature of that structure, would still have thought a truck being blown over by wind would not do as much damage as it did.
At least the truck driver will be unlikely to be deemed liable for causing the damage...
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Not sure if we want privatised quarantine providers. Melbourne had those....
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@canefan given we had someone supposedly test negative twice in 14 days, and positive once out, what does that do to the 14 day quarantine period?
Assuming it wasnt caught late in thier quarantine stay due to being able to mingle with other quarantiners, the majority of people test positive in that 14 day period, meaning shortening that period comes across solely as a cost cutting measure?
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AKL harbour bridge isn't suspension obviously, but weakening a structure designed as it was does require fixing, unfortunate event.
Some time ago I know, but this was caused by a bit of a wind and harmonic resonance. Just amazing:
Bit upset about the dog.
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@Snowy vortex shedding is really interesting.
For other wind related fun, check out the cooling tower collapse in the UK at Ferrybridge - also vortices and resonance
https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/j.1477-8696.1967.tb02927.x
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy vortex shedding is really interesting.
Yeah it is.
Fluid dynamics does some strange things, aeroplanes with vortex generators are an interesting one - you take the drag hit in some ways, but get the turbulent boundary flow to prevent stall.AKL bridge is more structural and weakened steel is not cool.
2020 keeps on giving. I was going down there tomorrow. Won't bother, the traffic was horrendous pre covid so just going to be utter shit now.