Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo I am told, (from a source very close to the Beehive), that despite the PR the Aussie govt has no wish for a two way travel bubble with N.Z. They see no upside for Australia but lots of downside as Aussies starved of international; or even inter-state, travel flock to for a little RnR.
the federal tourism minister told me the exact opposite a week ago. He was hoping by the end of March, but seemed resigned to later
I don't think both of you can be right......
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@mariner4life That's interesting. Can't see it happening before Q3 at earliest. Look at my tipping results and it'll show what a prediction sage I am....
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life That's interesting. Can't see it happening before Q3 at earliest. Look at my tipping results and it'll show what a prediction sage I am....
i agree that i thought his target was wildly ambitious. And this was before Melbourne's last little hiccup. Or Auckland's for that matter
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo I am told, (from a source very close to the Beehive), that despite the PR the Aussie govt has no wish for a two way travel bubble with N.Z. They see no upside for Australia but lots of downside as Aussies starved of international; or even inter-state, travel flock to for a little RnR.
If that stance was to come out publicly, it would be extraordinary. They're basically saying, that despite seeing no health risk (as evidenced by allowing NZers to come to Oz quarantine-free), they are prepared to lock in their citizens from travelling to this safe zone,
for purely economic reasons?That is totally fucked up
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life That's interesting. Can't see it happening before Q3 at earliest. Look at my tipping results and it'll show what a prediction sage I am....
So we are saying Mariner's intel is probably more reliable?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life That's interesting. Can't see it happening before Q3 at earliest. Look at my tipping results and it'll show what a prediction sage I am....
So we are saying Mariner's intel is probably more reliable?
dude, i was told something by a politician, what possible reason could you have to doubt it...
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo I am told, (from a source very close to the Beehive), that despite the PR the Aussie govt has no wish for a two way travel bubble with N.Z. They see no upside for Australia but lots of downside as Aussies starved of international; or even inter-state, travel flock to for a little RnR.
If that stance was to come out publicly, it would be extraordinary. They're basically saying, that despite seeing no health risk (as evidenced by allowing NZers to come to Oz quarantine-free), they are prepared to lock in their citizens from travelling to this safe zone,
for purely economic reasons?That is totally fucked up
also, when you think about it, it involves the Aus Government saying to the NZ gov't "yep, kiwis can come here. But can you guys keep your end quarantined though? It'll be better for both of us economically. Sure, we will be able to take the high road and show our border is open, but you guys can afford the hit..."
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo I am told, (from a source very close to the Beehive), that despite the PR the Aussie govt has no wish for a two way travel bubble with N.Z. They see no upside for Australia but lots of downside as Aussies starved of international; or even inter-state, travel flock to for a little RnR.
If that stance was to come out publicly, it would be extraordinary. They're basically saying, that despite seeing no health risk (as evidenced by allowing NZers to come to Oz quarantine-free), they are prepared to lock in their citizens from travelling to this safe zone,
for purely economic reasons?That is totally fucked up
also, when you think about it, it involves the Aus Government saying to the NZ gov't "yep, kiwis can come here. But can you guys keep your end quarantined though? It'll be better for both of us economically. Sure, we will be able to take the high road and show our border is open, but you guys can afford the hit..."
It's fucking outrageous
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What I was told was from a senior advisor to the govt and reflects his interpretation of what he has been told by govt figures about what they think Aussies true position is.
Obviously Aussie aren't going to acknowledge it, but I would give it some credence. It looks very familiar to our own position re places like the Cooks. Nothing in it for us - so why bother?
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
What I was told was from a senior advisor to the govt and reflects his interpretation of what he has been told by govt figures about what they think Aussies true position is.
Obviously Aussie aren't going to acknowledge it, but I would give it some credence. It looks very familiar to our own position re places like the Cooks. Nothing in it for us - so why bother?
look, i'm not dismissing it, i just can't marry that view with the fact that the Aus border is currently open to NZ quarantine free. If NZ dropped their quarantine this weekend, what would the Aus response be?
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@mariner4life and I'm not saying it's accurate I was just passing on what I heard. Your scenario about NZ relaxing the border at the moment raises an interesting scenario but one that no one would give any credence to.
Kiwi's have been able to travel to Singapore without quarantining for months. It's the two weeks when you get back plus having to pay that turns people off. Plus ya know Singapore closed doesn't sound all that peachy.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo I am told, (from a source very close to the Beehive), that despite the PR the Aussie govt has no wish for a two way travel bubble with N.Z. They see no upside for Australia but lots of downside as Aussies starved of international; or even inter-state, travel flock to for a little RnR.
the federal tourism minister told me the exact opposite a week ago. He was hoping by the end of March, but seemed resigned to later
I don't think both of you can be right......
This is politics, of course they can
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
look, i'm not dismissing it, i just can't marry that view with the fact that the Aus border is currently open to NZ quarantine free. If NZ dropped their quarantine this weekend, what would the Aus response be?
In practice the Australia border has already closed twice to non-quarantine travel from NZ with roughly six hours notice. It's the no-alcohol beer of open borders for appearances, rather than anything of substance that business travel or a tourism industry could rely on yet.
Edit: it allows the Australian govt to say with a straight face to their local tourism industry that they are genuinely trying to open things up, while also sending a message across the Ta$man that they're not completely serious about sticking it out for now.
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@donsteppa to be fair, the borders inside the goddam country do the same thing
I'm not discounting it, it's actually pretty smart.
It would just fuck me off no end.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
look, i'm not dismissing it, i just can't marry that view with the fact that the Aus border is currently open to NZ quarantine free. If NZ dropped their quarantine this weekend, what would the Aus response be?
In practice the Australia border has already closed twice to non-quarantine travel from NZ with roughly six hours notice. It's the no-alcohol beer of open borders for appearances, rather than anything of substance that business travel or a tourism industry could rely on yet.
Edit: it allows the Australian govt to say with a straight face to their local tourism industry that they are genuinely trying to open things up, while also sending a message across the Ta$man that they're not completely serious about sticking it out for now.
Closing an open border for a 3 day window is an annoyance, but hardly evident of a reluctance to do business. It doesn't stop you doing business or stop people choosing to travel, at least not completely.
If NZ dropped quarantine for us here in Oz, I'd be on the next plane home to see my Mum, well aware of the risk of those borders potentially shutting for a window
And if the reason that I cant do that is down to Australia deciding that they want their tourism dollars spent domestically, then that is an absolute disgrace.
Whats next? Will they limit me to 1x overseas holiday per year post-covid? Can I buy goods online from overseas?
It's very shitty, and I sincerely hope it's not true.
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I think part of the issue is that having developed criteria for hot spots, the Australian government ignores them when reinstating quarantine as soon as we have a community case. As long as they can't even stick to their own rules, it's hard to have much faith in their stated position. I can see how an Kiwi advisor or politician would get cynical quickly...
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think part of the issue is that having developed criteria for hot spots, the Australian government ignores them when reinstating quarantine as soon as we have a community case. As long as they can't even stick to their own rules, it's hard to have much faith in their stated position. I can see how an Kiwi advisor or politician would get cynical quickly...
No issue with that, I can understand NZ driving the process. It's Australia potentially not wanting the reciprocal right to go to NZ that's winding me up!
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@donsteppa to be fair, the borders inside the goddam country do the same thing
I'm not discounting it, it's actually pretty smart.
I'd go with Hanlon's razor on this. The government simply isn't smart enough to come up with such a plan. The PM needs his wife to ask him how he'd feel about his own daughters being raped before he has any empathy. This after hiring an empathy consultant.
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Presumably if we get a case or 2 every other day, all linked to the existing one, there would be no need to change alert levels?
I see scanning numbers have dropped significantly with Auckland dropping back to L1.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo I am told, (from a source very close to the Beehive), that despite the PR the Aussie govt has no wish for a two way travel bubble with N.Z. They see no upside for Australia but lots of downside as Aussies starved of international; or even inter-state, travel flock to for a little RnR.
Wouldn't two-way be better than one-way? Not sure what I'm missing.