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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Given how the last 5 or so weeks have been in NZ, are people that fucking stupid or just don't give a shit?
Complacency was always going to be our downfall
our Gross Domestic Smugness was off the charts.
Personally, I'm not critiquing us dropping back to L2 and then L1. What I find frustrating is the inconsistency in approach - one case of unknown origin this time means a week of L3, and cancelling (for instance) round the bays. Last time it was 3 days, and Sunday events just rolled on.
The risk tolerance is just kinda all over the place.
Looking forward, we should be pushing hard for changing to compulsory scnaning, RFID tagging into stores, 'no scan no service' kind of culture.
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If someone is asymptomatic, has tested negative multiple times, and sees the government has put us into level 1 indicating they are not concerned about the latest outbreak, can you blame them for getting back to work? It's not like people are itching to go work long hard shifts at kfry or kmart, they just need the money.
Easier for rich kids in Parnell to "self-isolate" than kids in South Auckland, many who are trying to support their families.
Again, ire has to go to the government for their handling of this. It was idiotic to think we could go back to level 1 but have people still act like we were at 3.
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@no-quarter some good points made there, however this latest person went for their test then went to the gym and a bunch of other stops (despite being told to isolate until the test was complete) from what I heard. Frustrating
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apparently this case has now been genomically linked to the 2nd family.
Problem is, people are just not making smart decisions, people are not doing the right thing, as above, smug complacency is our undoing!
I walked into New World on Friday, 5 others went in just before or after me, only 1 other person scanned, he was elderly and I saw an elderly lady filling in the sign in form (assume she doesnt have a smart phone) Despite all this, people still arent taking it seriously
A month ago I got a grab one deal to take the kids to Rainbows End, which you need to book the day you are going, and I was going to go online yesterday and book for next weekend, but forgot...push it out again.
A mate posted a pic of the Brynderwyns last night, lines of traffic heading north at midnight.
Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield advised Case M developed symptoms on Tuesday, before being tested on Friday, meaning they had been infectious since last weekend.
During that time they had gone to a number of “high-risk”, “well populated” places, including a supermarket, gym and Manukau Institute of Technology.
“People who should have been in isolation weren’t.”
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
apparently this case has now been genomically linked to the 2nd family.
Problem is, people are just not making smart decisions, people are not doing the right thing, as above, smug complacency is our undoing!
I walked into New World on Friday, 5 others went in just before or after me, only 1 other person scanned, he was elderly and I saw an elderly lady filling in the sign in form (assume she doesnt have a smart phone) Despite all this, people still arent taking it seriously
A month ago I got a grab one deal to take the kids to Rainbows End, which you need to book the day you are going, and I was going to go online yesterday and book for next weekend, but forgot...push it out again.
A mate posted a pic of the Brynderwyns last night, lines of traffic heading north at midnight.
Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield advised Case M developed symptoms on Tuesday, before being tested on Friday, meaning they had been infectious since last weekend.
During that time they had gone to a number of “high-risk”, “well populated” places, including a supermarket, gym and Manukau Institute of Technology.
“People who should have been in isolation weren’t.”
The flip side of "be kind" is that the government does not impress on the everyday person how close we are to calamity at any time. As nzzp said(?) there needs to be a strong push in terms of mask wearing, self isolating and testing if you are symptomatic, scan or no entry, and people just generally following instructions. This guy will not begin to understand the trail of destruction his decisions will create. Mrs CF was out for dinner with friends last night, the looks on the faces of the staff at the restaurant told you they were broken by this. The chef/owner came up to their table, he simply did not know what to do
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter some good points made there, however this latest person went for their test then went to the gym and a bunch of other stops (despite being told to isolate until the test was complete) from what I heard. Frustrating
That specific example is a little annoying but I'm not ready to hang a kid out to dry when the real failing is that of the government.
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter some good points made there, however this latest person went for their test then went to the gym and a bunch of other stops (despite being told to isolate until the test was complete) from what I heard. Frustrating
That specific example is a little annoying but I'm not ready to hang a kid out to dry when the real failing is that of the government.
having symptoms, getting tested and then going to the gym is not cool at all in a Covid risk time. If you're 21, you should know better; blaming the government isn't great - they are in no way the main problem here
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter some good points made there, however this latest person went for their test then went to the gym and a bunch of other stops (despite being told to isolate until the test was complete) from what I heard. Frustrating
That specific example is a little annoying but I'm not ready to hang a kid out to dry when the real failing is that of the government.
As I said above, they are not taking the lead in terms of trying to make people do what needs to be done, as evidenced by the lax attitude around scanning QR codes and this being the second person to be roaming around with symptoms. They may not want to get heavy for fear of people shying away from testing, but isn't it time to get a little tougher?
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter some good points made there, however this latest person went for their test then went to the gym and a bunch of other stops (despite being told to isolate until the test was complete) from what I heard. Frustrating
That specific example is a little annoying but I'm not ready to hang a kid out to dry when the real failing is that of the government.
having symptoms, getting tested and then going to the gym is not cool at all in a Covid risk time. If you're 21, you should know better; blaming the government isn't great - they are in no way the main problem here
No, 21 year olds do stupid shit all the time. They are often driven by emotion over reason, because their brains haven't actually finished developing. I cringe when I think about how I acted when I was 21. If all of our hopes rest on the shoulders of a 21 year old doing the right thing when the country is at level 1 then we may as well not even bother.
The decision to drop to level 1 when we 1) didn't know the source and 2) hadn't allowed for the 10 - 14 day incubation period to determine if there was a wider outbreak was wrong and the government just has to wear that on the chin. The way they have blamed people for not "following the rules" is just stirring shit among the public to get them off the hook for their own mistake.
Again I'm not prepared to hang a 21 year old out to dry for making a bad decision. The overall message from the government was that this was not serious, otherwise they would not have dropped the alert levels.
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The government has a lot the answer for. David Seymour was on TV this morning and made a number of good points
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Since covid19 started they have not installed a proper digital tracing system that does not rely on individual compliance. This was recommended in a report that the government apparently released around Christmas so it slipped through unnoticed
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The vaccination programme is a mess. They don't have any clear plan. A relative who is a tier 1a worker was contacted last night and told they could go get their first shot straight away. They went down immediately and it turns out the station had a tonne of Pfizer vaccine which needed to be used but didn't have anyone to administer it to. There was no queue, very little activity on site
We are bumbling our way through this thing
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@no-quarter govt def need to take plenty of blame, but where does self responsibility stop?
This person is in the workforce, so should be well aware of the risks posed, dumb arsed complacency by so many.
Despite me insisting, neither of my kids scan, but then I guess I know exactly where they are supposed to be 99% of the time.
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@taniwharugby I think both things can be true. The government has pushed the message to scan, to stay home when sick and get tested. But as evidenced by the last two incidents some people don't obey the rules. The government don't appear to have appreciated the fact that some people will not comply and have not moved to install a system that does not rely on individual compliance.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan one if the cases last week from the school, MOH didn't visit the home after numerous calls went unanswered to get tested.
Def some gaps in the system, our luck running out.
I'm sure it would be cheaper to send staff out to check on people of interest than a week in lockdown.....
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I'm honestly sick to the gills of the 'be kind' message, which seems to be getting conflated with 'things aren't that bad, it's ok if you don't do xyz'
At this point, I'm totally cool with some punitive steps for those who flout the rules. I'm also cool with the govt getting asked tough questions relentlessly, cos some of these things are fucking annoying to still be happening a year in.
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@mokey said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm honestly sick to the gills of the 'be kind' message, which seems to be getting conflated with 'things aren't that bad, it's ok if you don't do xyz'
At this point, I'm totally cool with some punitive steps for those who flout the rules. I'm also cool with the govt getting asked tough questions relentlessly, cos some of these things are fucking annoying to still be happening a year in.
Things happen. But it gets annoying when it appears that nothing has changed in terms of improving our ability to prevent and limit the spread of the disease
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's going to be a long and tortuous path to stability if the goal remains elimination until vaccination.
And if the expected tail hangs around. How do you feel about periodic lockdowns for 4 years?
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