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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@snowy said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
Sir Dove-Meyer Robinson had plans for a proper AKL rail system as well. 40 years ago (that they are now doing). Couldn't get the funding then, but it probably would have saved billions in terms of time, traffic, roading, etc. for the whole region over the last 4 decades.
There are a handful of buildings in central Auckland that were constructed at the time with the ability to have a rail platform underneath them I believe.
From what I can recall being told, DMR wanted to build an integrated rail network with underground as well. They thought he was mad. If they had done it Auckland's population would probably much more by now
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan yep. We are the country who goes ooooh, can't spend 200 million, that sounds like too much. So we end up budgeting 50 million, get a turkey, then spend 500 million fixing various turkey issues for the next 20 years.
We could be like London where an intial GBP15B project (Crossrail) had all the money it needed but still blew out by another 4 billion and will be 4 years late.
We aren't the only screwups.
Infrastructure just isn't sexy enough for most western countries
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan yep. We are the country who goes ooooh, can't spend 200 million, that sounds like too much. So we end up budgeting 50 million, get a turkey, then spend 500 million fixing various turkey issues for the next 20 years.
We could be like London where an intial GBP15B project (Crossrail) had all the money it needed but still blew out by another 4 billion and will be 4 years late.
We aren't the only screwups.
Infrastructure just isn't sexy enough for most western countries
It is if you are Australian and build a ship.
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan yep. We are the country who goes ooooh, can't spend 200 million, that sounds like too much. So we end up budgeting 50 million, get a turkey, then spend 500 million fixing various turkey issues for the next 20 years.
We could be like London where an intial GBP15B project (Crossrail) had all the money it needed but still blew out by another 4 billion and will be 4 years late.
We aren't the only screwups.
Infrastructure just isn't sexy enough for most western countries
It is if you are Australian and build a ship.
The Aussies are quite good. I remember when they built the orbital road in Sydney. Didn't seem to take them that long. Melbourne has a great public transport system. Doesn't stop them from having traffic jams though
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan yep. We are the country who goes ooooh, can't spend 200 million, that sounds like too much. So we end up budgeting 50 million, get a turkey, then spend 500 million fixing various turkey issues for the next 20 years.
We could be like London where an intial GBP15B project (Crossrail) had all the money it needed but still blew out by another 4 billion and will be 4 years late.
We aren't the only screwups.
Infrastructure just isn't sexy enough for most western countries
It is if you are Australian and build a ship.
The Aussies are quite good. I remember when they built the orbital road in Sydney. Didn't seem to take them that long. Melbourne has a great public transport system. Doesn't stop them from having traffic jams though
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4554/australian-class?_=1618434668928
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan yep. We are the country who goes ooooh, can't spend 200 million, that sounds like too much. So we end up budgeting 50 million, get a turkey, then spend 500 million fixing various turkey issues for the next 20 years.
We could be like London where an intial GBP15B project (Crossrail) had all the money it needed but still blew out by another 4 billion and will be 4 years late.
We aren't the only screwups.
Infrastructure just isn't sexy enough for most western countries
It is if you are Australian and build a ship.
The Aussies are quite good. I remember when they built the orbital road in Sydney. Didn't seem to take them that long. Melbourne has a great public transport system. Doesn't stop them from having traffic jams though
doesn't take that long? the widening of a stretch of road no more than a couple of hundred metres can take more than a year. And that's from diggers in the ground, not planning.
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan yep. We are the country who goes ooooh, can't spend 200 million, that sounds like too much. So we end up budgeting 50 million, get a turkey, then spend 500 million fixing various turkey issues for the next 20 years.
We could be like London where an intial GBP15B project (Crossrail) had all the money it needed but still blew out by another 4 billion and will be 4 years late.
We aren't the only screwups.
Infrastructure just isn't sexy enough for most western countries
It is if you are Australian and build a ship.
Laughed.
"Sexy" - well they tried. Unco and embarrassing they had sorted. -
@mariner4life said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@crucial said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan yep. We are the country who goes ooooh, can't spend 200 million, that sounds like too much. So we end up budgeting 50 million, get a turkey, then spend 500 million fixing various turkey issues for the next 20 years.
We could be like London where an intial GBP15B project (Crossrail) had all the money it needed but still blew out by another 4 billion and will be 4 years late.
We aren't the only screwups.
Infrastructure just isn't sexy enough for most western countries
It is if you are Australian and build a ship.
The Aussies are quite good. I remember when they built the orbital road in Sydney. Didn't seem to take them that long. Melbourne has a great public transport system. Doesn't stop them from having traffic jams though
doesn't take that long? the widening of a stretch of road no more than a couple of hundred metres can take more than a year. And that's from diggers in the ground, not planning.
I guess we all have the same problem
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Didnt labour oppose these when they were given under Nats?
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Because cigarette smoking is so edgy...
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@billy-tell said in NZ Politics:
Because cigarette smoking is so edgy...
Have you seen Have I Got News For You?
Compared to the two regulars on that show - crossing the road without the aid of traffic lights is edgy. -
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@tim if they average 40 passengers a train, for 50 weeks of the year, for 5 years, the subsidy is around a thousand dollars for a return trip.
@tim well, I did not see this comign. First weekend service absolutely jam packed. Remarkable, good news, and hopefully incentives the trial people to actually run the train all the way into Britomart in a single push. Then it could be a genuinely viable option.
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If this move reduced wasted money, streamlined procurement in a way that I assume pharmac works, in theory this should be a good move. Can the government pull it off? Who will run this new super organisation? I will need convincing that this won't be a decent idea screwed up
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@canefan Of course a socialist governement would love central control
Long overdue, although the rationalisation of different IT, management, and staff is going to be a long drawn out process. A lot of people will lose their jobs, and people in cities will be fine, I suspect rural towns will still struggle to get quality healthcare.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan Of course a socialist governement would love central control
Long overdue, although the rationalisation of different IT, management, and staff is going to be a long drawn out process. A lot of people will lose their jobs, and people in cities will be fine, I suspect rural towns will still struggle to get quality healthcare.
Yes the infrastructure gains should be significant. As you say it remains to be seen if it delivers better care for all. I am sure middle management will find a way to save themselves...
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan Of course a socialist governement would love central control
Long overdue, although the rationalisation of different IT, management, and staff is going to be a long drawn out process. A lot of people will lose their jobs, and people in cities will be fine, I suspect rural towns will still struggle to get quality healthcare.
Unless some of the wasted money is re-directed to setting up better provincial facilities.
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