Guns and Strippers thread! Best ever!
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<p>However Thailand is a significant topic in this thread as their gun homocide rate ain't too far from the yanks. Also this place is on a steady decline which will only get worse when the monarch passes on. Gun crime is huge here too and it all stems from unenforced regulations and a proliferation of guns. Definitely everyday multiple people are killed by guns here, not even mentioning the terrorism in the south that would have the western world in apoplexy if they got daily coverage of that carnage - from 2004-2015, 6500 dead, 12000 injured (civilians, kids, schools being bombed, teachers gunned down in classrooms) in that cluster fuck. </p>
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<p>Yeah, the Indonesian military has been butchering local Melanesian people in West Papua (the western half of the Island shared with Papua New Guinea) for the past 50 - 60 years so that international mining companies can have free reign to exploit the place as much as they want. The place shouldn't even be under Indonesian control, they took it illegally in the 50s. Something like 500,000 native West Papuan's slaughtered right on Australia's doorstep. So pretty much genocide. But does it get any coverage at all? Nup, basically nothing. Most people don't have a clue it's even happening. It's pretty shitty, but western media will only focus on (and be outraged about) things that affect western countries.</p> -
<p>West Papua is a stain on every Pacific government. That shit is disgusting, and it's ignored. </p>
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<br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="590301" data-time="1466513726"><p>Thats the beauty of America. If you want to own a senator or a Congressman you can, and you don't even have to hide it. And the senators who are owned by the NRA are almost all Republican. The Dems tend to be owned by Lawyers, Unions & Phama.</p></blockquote>
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Closest thing to pure capitalism we have. Amazing.<br><br>
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<p>How about that pink AR-15 for the woman in your life that has everything. If that isn't love I don't know what is</p>
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Closest thing to pure capitalism we have. Amazing.<br><br>
Love that onion article</p>
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<p>What???? No, it isn't. </p> -
Just as an observation; I'm always amused how much non Americans care about how much Americans care about guns.
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/senate-gun-votes-congress/'>http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/senate-gun-votes-congress/</a></p>
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<p>This reminds me of a fat person who wants to lose weight but keeps eating junk food 24/7.</p>
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<p>Yes, you are reading it right folks, the US senate has voted AGAINST restrictions on selling automatic assault rifles/weapons to suspected terrorists.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="590462" data-time="1466567472"><p>What???? No, it isn't.</p></blockquote>
"an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."<br><br>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/senate-gun-votes-congress/'>http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/senate-gun-votes-congress/</a></p>
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<p>This reminds me of a fat person who wants to lose weight but keeps eating junk food 24/7.</p>
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<p>Yes, you are reading it right folks, the US senate has voted AGAINST restrictions on selling automatic assault rifles/weapons to suspected terrorists.</p>
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<p>Woah, woah, woah hold up.</p>
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<p>The Democrats and many Republicans want to prevent people on the No-Fly List from being able to purchase to a gun. The No Fly List is a massive assault on civil liberties. People who are put on the list aren't even notified that they are on it and getting off the list is almost impossible. There is absolutely no due process there.</p>
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<p>Woah, woah, woah hold up.</p>
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<p>The Democrats and many Republicans want to prevent people on the No-Fly List from being able to purchase to a gun. The No Fly List is a massive assault on civil liberties. People who are put on the list aren't even notified that they are on it and getting off the list is almost impossible. There is absolutely no due process there.</p>
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<p>Chris Murphy's proposal for universal background checks seemed like common sense legislation to me.</p>
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<p>There were 2 parts to it. 1. Restrict people on these lists from buying guns, 2. Make it easier for people to get off them.</p>
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<p>On the back of a massacre of 50+ people, certain sections of govt were trying to change certain laws, specifically addressing the main negative around that law, to reduce the risk of this happening again. It failed. </p>
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<p>As of right now, Omar Marteen's brother, may walk into any gun shop in American and buy an assault rifle, legally, showing legitimate documents.</p>
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<p>I try to be more objective in my middle age, but no matter how I look at it - this situation is beyond FUBAR.</p> -
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<p>"an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."<br><br>
What is more capitalist than the private owners controlling the government?</p>
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<p>What are you talking about. Are you somehow implying corruption and lobbying are a capitalist invention.... err ok.</p>
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<p>Show me a form of govt that doesnt have lobbying and corruption form individuals to those in power. You wont. That should tell you something.</p> -
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<p>No. Capitalism is a system, not a sentient being. It can't, by definition, invent anything.</p>
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<p>Nice dancing on the pin.</p>
<p>But it doesnt make your initial assertion any less ludicrous.</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Show me a form of govt that doesnt have lobbying and corruption from individuals to those in power. You wont. That should tell you something.</span></p>
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<p>You seem to have a real disdain for capitalism. Kinda weird considering it has given you the lifestyle you and your family enjoy.</p> -
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How about that pink AR-15 for the woman in your life that has everything. If that isn't love I don't know what is<br><br><img src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2014/07/29/3330543_03_pink_spikes_tactical_ar_15_cus_640.jpg" alt="3330543_03_pink_spikes_tactical_ar_15_cu"></p></blockquote>
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Your other article called ar15s Lego for grown ups but they are really Barbies for men. The guys that own them accessorise the hell out of them , there's an endless supply of upgrades and Bolton crap for them. There's s few kiwis doing the same thing here, basic rifle to start with is not cheap and you could easily lose $3000-$4000 in one when you're finished with it. -
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<p>There were 2 parts to it. 1. Restrict people on these lists from buying guns, 2. Make it easier for people to get off them.</p>
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<p>On the back of a massacre of 50+ people, certain sections of govt were trying to change certain laws, specifically addressing the main negative around that law, to reduce the risk of this happening again. It failed. </p>
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<p>As of right now, Omar Marteen's brother, may walk into any gun shop in American and buy an assault rifle, legally, showing legitimate documents.</p>
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<p>I try to be more objective in my middle age, but no matter how I look at it - this situation is beyond FUBAR.</p>
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<p>I may not be aware of the particulars here but what crime has Omar Marteen's brother committed?</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="590507" data-time="1466577193"><p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);"><span style="font-family:helvetica;">Show me a form of govt that doesnt have lobbying and corruption from individuals to those in power. You wont. That should tell you something.</span></span></p></blockquote>
<br>- I wasn't talking about government, or corruption - you brought those up. So shove your pin up your deliberately argumentative arse.<br><br>
- I wasn't even criticising capitalism. You just decided I was, then carried on like abrasive fluffybunny.<br><br>
- There aren't many forms of government that don't practice some form of capitalism. :think: Maybe under Sharia Law where are certain restrictions on what we know as capitalism (loan interest, etc).<br><br>
- If you are too thick - or deliberately obtuse - to draw a very firm line between buying senators and profits for gun manufacturers in the US, which also kills thousands of people a year (gun violence being the core topic of this discussion), then I can see why you carry on like such a wally when people are dismissive of your opinion; you're just not smart enough to notice.<br><br><br>
Effectively, up until the point where you decided to pick a fight, there wasn't even an argument in this thread.<br><br><br>
Remember that before you go - yet again - to delete post(s) in a thread in which you're involved: <strong>you</strong> decided to make this an argument, not me.<br><br><br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="590507" data-time="1466577193"><p>
You seem to have a real disdain for capitalism. Kinda weird considering it has given you the lifestyle you and your family enjoy.</p></blockquote>
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I've stated before we need healthy, aspirational markets balanced with welfare and the needs of those with limited access to resources. Definitely don't support "free wealth for everyone" if that is what you're implying.<br><br>
You appear to be a classic neoliberal. Which is a bit shocking, because you're quite dismissive of governments who provide socialist-style interventions ensuring your safety, health, and education systems. <br><br>
You say you're not one of course, but you blather on like Ayn Rand's fucking love child most of the time here.<br><br>
Edited to remove references to oral sex.
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<p>I may not be aware of the particulars here but what crime has Omar Marteen's brother committed?</p>
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<p>How were they making it easier to get off the No Fly List?</p>
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<p>The same crimes committed by Omar Marteen before he went on his rampage.</p> -
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Remember that before you go - yet again - to delete post(s) in a thread in which you're involved:<br><br><br><br>
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<p>So this happens to you too eh?</p> -
Ffs , just saw this<br>
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David Tipple did time in jail in the us for arms trafficking .