What the hell is wrong with the English Media?
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Jesus christ do they love a sting operation designed to bring down a figurehead, especially the manager of England.
I've just been reading about the story to come out i assume tonight where they've got Sam Allardyce on video saying some really dumb stuff. It appears they've set up a couple of meetings posing as eastern investors, and videoed the whole thing. Of course Sam has said some things he probably really regrets now.
From the leaked parts, it doesn't look too bad, he agreed to a fee to be an ambassador, which seems his right, but the revelations with regards to a player transfer while at West Ham might have some legs. Mocking Woy just makes him look like a prat, but then few didn't think that before.
Seriously though, what the fuck Daily Telegraph? I much prefer our fawning, sycophantic media to one that actively sets out to undermine national sporting teams.
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Wow .. that is a pretty serious allegation though. I'd expect this sort of thing from the Sun. A guy I worked with in London had once interviewed for a job at the Sun. This was his interview "would you be happy to setup Michael Owen to snort coke which would totally bring him down".
NZ media may be shit, but the UK is next level.
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This is a new low for the Torygraph.
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As I understand it the allegation is Big Sam took his lawyer and financial adviser to the meeting and negotiated a 400k pound fee for advice on how to circumvent FIFA's 3rd party ownership regulations.
If true the Telegraph isn't the immoral party in this episode.
again if true this is more than Allardyce being a little naive or misguided. Its him with his big fat snout in the trough, acting like a greedy prick and a monumental dumbass to boot.
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@dogmeat said in What the hell is wrong with the English Media?:
As I understand it the allegation is Big Sam took his lawyer and financial adviser to the meeting and negotiated a 400 pound fee for advice on how to circumvent FIFA's 3rd party ownership regulations.
If true the Telegraph isn't the immoral party in this episode.
I 100% agree, but Sam apparently does say "I can help set it up... but I'll only do it if we run it past the FA" So he should be ok.
Re the merits of the Telegraph, their sting looked at -
The assistant manager of a high-profile football club accepted a £5,000 cash “bung” Ten managers were named by players’ agents as taking bribes to fix player transfers Two well-known managers discussed becoming ambassadors for the same fictitious firm as Sam Allardyce Another high-profile manager admitted his players broke FA rules by betting on their own games but he failed to report it A senior figure at a Premier League club helped undercover reporters to formulate a plan to bribe managersSeriously, in what world do we not want our journalists persuing those? IE if those were happening in NZ rugby would we be OK with the Herald turning a blind eye & writing a bullshit story more in keeping with womans day? People bitch & whine about cricket spot fixing where a guy bowls a no ball, but scream their tits off when the press dig up the above? WTF. .
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Yeah but where does undercover journalism end and entrapment begin?
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@Catogrande said in What the hell is wrong with the English Media?:
Yeah but where does undercover journalism end and entrapment begin?
I get what you mean & I think the ones like when they got Lawrence Dalaigio saying he did coke were pointless, or when Warney fucked a fat girl, but in this case they asked the England manager about bungs & he bit, if the whole story was "Gary Neville, he's dick right? Oh hell yes!" - Big Sam slags off Neville!!" then yes, thats not journalism.
I'm ok with what they were targeting - undeclared (illegal) cash in football, same way if they approached 3 NZ super coaches & said "I represent Toulon, if you can help us sign Barrett / Cruden / Sopoaga we will give you $100k that you dont need to run past the taxman" & one bit that'd be a valid story & not entrapment.
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and he is gone! What a debacle!
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@Hooroo Incredible - he covets the job for years, looks like he'll never get a chance at it, the cards fall into place in 2016 (Roy's useless Euro, Sunderland surviving and there being no alternatives), he manages for one game (100% record) and now he's gone. Sunderland must be checking the contract they gave to Moyes to see if there is a 90 day clause included.
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Is there an appointed England Manager that has a 100% record? He could stay in the record books.
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Sacked because of his behaviour at the meeting not what he has done. There is also a wider investigation which has uncovered that 8 current or former EPL managers have been accused of receiving “bungs” for player transfers. Stay tuned.
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Gooorn! I had forgotten about his shady past, this isn't his first time having the faint whiffs of corruption.
@gollum I understand what you are saying, and i agree with you. However those things aren't what they led with, they led with the current England manager being an embarrassing prat, and successfully got him fired. The rest of the investigation will be very interesting indeed.
Aren't their World Cup qualifiers next week? jesus what timing aye?
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@KiwiPie said in What the hell is wrong with the English Media?:
@Hooroo Incredible - he covets the job for years, looks like he'll never get a chance at it, the cards fall into place in 2016 (Roy's useless Euro, Sunderland surviving and there being no alternatives), he manages for one game (100% record) and now he's gone. Sunderland must be checking the contract they gave to Moyes to see if there is a 90 day clause included.
Replace Sam with Ewen McKenzie in this story and it reads similar...
And England wonder why they get knocked out by Iceland in Euros, shambles of an organisation
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Has nobody every looked at the EPL before? Redknapp has been doing these sorts of shonky deals for years! Big Sam was just sharing the tricks of the trade with people - he thought he was helping out!
Thats the reality ... but the reality is the the England football coach must be sacked if caught doing it.
Bit of a sting operation, but such is life.
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So now the dust has settled a bit do you think it was justified setting him up ?
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I'm not entirely against these sorts of things being done.
But I am against the papers only going front-page public when they catch somebody. Say they setup Roy Hodgson in similar circumstances, but he walked away saying he would take no part in that, and said nothing wrong.
Isn't that equally as deserving of publication?
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@MajorRage I agree but newspapers seem to operate on two basic theories " charm and betray " and " if it bleeds it leads" so they wouldn't be too interested in a story like that.
If this guy was actually dodgy I doubt the police were that interested in putting too many resources into something like this.
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@MajorRage said in What the hell is wrong with the English Media?:
Has nobody every looked at the EPL before? Redknapp has been doing these sorts of shonky deals for years! Big Sam was just sharing the tricks of the trade with people - he thought he was helping out!
Redknapp doing it was one of the core reasons he never got the England job - he was seen as shadey as all feck. It's also one of the reasons those old school English managers never get the big clubs, its always the shadey fuckers like West Ham, Portsmouth etc
The 2 big nails (according to the new this morning) were him jumping into bed with guys he had zero knowledge of at the smell of £400k. Thats not a good look for an England manager (on £3m a year). And second, him going "the FA rules are shit, I can help you dodge those", when enployed by the FA (on £3m a year).
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one manager suspended, another couple in trouble. Story is starting to have legs
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@gollum Yep, Big Sam deserved to be sacked due to his stupidity and greed.
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Guess the media aren't as bad as the greedy dickmunch who got caught.
