Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach



  • All Blacks assistant coach Wayne Smith has suggested Ian Foster is being 'primed' to take over from Steve Hansen as All Blacks head coach in 2019.

    NO



  • you'd hope to see an upward trending from now to when the re-appointment happens if he is to be named AB coach, given the past 12 months we have struggled a bit at times



  • That priming is coinciding with on field performance...



  • Lord help us.



  • At the end of a day it will come down to results. A shocker of a performance at RWC 2019 and Foster might be on the outer. On the other hand it would be hard to argue if it's 3-peat time.



  • I am trying to think back to his cheifs days and the comments on here. People were whinging about weird team selections, dumb game plans, an underachieving team... What else have I missed?



  • @taniwharugby said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    you'd hope to see an upward trending from now to when the re-appointment happens if he is to be named AB coach, given the past 12 months we have struggled a bit at times

    Yeah. Our record hss dropped to 84.3% over the last 12 months ... 🙂



  • @booboo not so much results, our actual play has dipped, this year in particular has been a mix of sublime and rubbish, often in same 1/4s of rugby



  • @Crazy-Horse said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    I am trying to think back to his cheifs days and the comments on here. People were whinging about weird team selections, dumb game plans, an underachieving team... What else have I missed?

    Their attack was always good , at times excellent ,

    everything else was messy .



  • @Crazy-Horse said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    I am trying to think back to his cheifs days and the comments on here. People were whinging about weird team selections, dumb game plans, an underachieving team... What else have I missed?

    That the Chiefs were a thinly disguised recruitment tool for the Waikato RU, rather than a genuine attempt at producing a good team.



  • You guys should hunt down Wayne Smith's interview with Vietch on Radiosport today. Not so much about Foster - but about the ABs are trying to build.

    http://www.radiosport.co.nz/sport-news/rugby/last-test-on-home-soil-for-all-blacks-coach-wayne-smith/

    Seems like there's a link somewhere here - though it's not immediately obvious....

    http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2017.09.16-12.15.00-S.mp3

    From about 4.40



  • @Rapido That Rennie came in and did everything that Foster couldn't.

    Actually this comment was directed @crazy-horse.



  • @Rapido said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    That the Chiefs were a thinly disguised recruitment tool for the Waikato RU, rather than a genuine attempt at producing a good team.

    While in part true, this doesn't explain the odd selections and the dumb game plans.

    Foster teams were excellently drilled. But were always flakey. They'd get up for big games and then crumble to poor teams. They'd make the final, only to crash and burn.

    I really, really don't want him in charge, and I'm a Waikato boy.



  • It was only a few years ago under Henry that many were asking, "what the hell does Hansen do?" Or better known as FGH.... He was criticised as being out of his depth and of no value.

    Coaches, like players can change, develop, reinvent themselves. Foster is in a good environment and doing well in helping an AB backline and attack redefine themselves.

    As for the Smith comments, it's hard to say if he's just pumping the tyres of a mate or a deflection for himself to stave off questions about him returning to the top spot.



  • Hansen didn't exactly have a glittering career prior to the ABs and he worked out pretty well!

    If Foster is indeed the next AB coach it's also important what coaches he will have around him.


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    @KiwiMurph said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    Hansen didn't exactly have a glittering career prior to the ABs and he worked out pretty well!

    If Foster is indeed the next AB coach it's also important what coaches he will have around him.

    Tbf he did OK with Wales and at least had experience as an international head coach, including at a RWC. I'd be far more comfortable with Foster if he went out and coached a test team first.



  • @KiwiMurph yep that's the key...a great leader is really only a measure of the people they surround themselves with.

    While I don't think he 'promotion' should be automatic, it is hard to argue (if we keep getting the results) that he doesn't have the inside running.



  • @taniwharugby said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    @KiwiMurph yep that's the key...a great leader is really only a measure of the people they surround themselves with.

    While I don't think he 'promotion' should be automatic, it is hard to argue (if we keep getting the results) that he doesn't have the inside running.

    And Smith said in one of the early interviews 'people who judge him based on Waikato rule out the potential for people to keep improving'. Can't see Hansen and Smith tolerating him if he was crap. Got to give them the benefit of the doubt - they have earned it with their results.

    also, I just threw up in my mouth a bit again. All the logic in the world, but Foster just doesn't inspire me as a head coach.



  • Much like some strange (at the time) selections over the last few year i think the current coaches have well and truely built up enough credit to be trusted. If Foster is good enough that they are happy to work with him and endorse him to take over then that is all i need to hear.
    IMO his chiefs record is now irrelevant.

    What i 100% don't want is a new coach to come in and start changing thing. By the time the next RWC comes around there will have been 15 years worth of continuous work going in to make the ABs what they are. It would be a massive backward step bringing in an outsider to take over. Just like you don't bring in a new player to be captain.

    If there is another candidate they need to come in now to replace Smith.



  • fozzie needs to fuck off and actually coach a team successfully before he should be considered for the top gig. he did dumb shit at the chiefs. maybe he's learned all his lessons and is a great coach now, but how about we check whether that is true first.
    right now he's an assistant coach, in a successful team. which is a different job. not to mention that that team was just as successful before he joined it.

    as for the other coaches being trusted on the decision - fuck that. it's not objective in the slightest, which is asking for trouble. i've been a hansen supporter since back when others were doubting his worth as an assistant, i think he's a hell of a smart bloke - but there is no way his recommendation should be enough.



  • @reprobate said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    i've been a hansen supporter since back when others were doubting his worth as an assistant

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  • @antipodean said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    @reprobate said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    i've been a hansen supporter since back when others were doubting his worth as an assistant

    alt text

    Right Here Folks! The most valid post in 2017!



  • @antipodean the key phrase being 'as an assistant'



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    @KiwiMurph said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    Hansen didn't exactly have a glittering career prior to the ABs and he worked out pretty well!

    If Foster is indeed the next AB coach it's also important what coaches he will have around him.

    Tbf he did OK with Wales and at least had experience as an international head coach, including at a RWC. I'd be far more comfortable with Foster if he went out and coached a test team first.

    Not sure Welsh fans would agree that he did okay. First ever coach in Welsh history to go through a 6Ns series without a win. He didn't last long and only coached 29 tests for 10 wins.


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    @ACT-Crusader said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    @KiwiMurph said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    Hansen didn't exactly have a glittering career prior to the ABs and he worked out pretty well!

    If Foster is indeed the next AB coach it's also important what coaches he will have around him.

    Tbf he did OK with Wales and at least had experience as an international head coach, including at a RWC. I'd be far more comfortable with Foster if he went out and coached a test team first.

    Not sure Welsh fans would agree that he did okay. First ever coach in Welsh history to go through a 6Ns series without a win. He didn't last long and only coached 29 tests for 10 wins.

    Again tbf, he was handed an utter shit sandwich. Wales also performed well at the 2003 RWC.



  • @Rocky-Rockbottom said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    What happened to a transparent interview process?

    Wft is with this illuminati mafia-style succession / coronation closed-shop bullshit?

    I’d like to hear Fozzie’s interview….

    Foster: Hi. Here for the interview. I’m pals with Steve.
    NZRU: Um, have a seat please Mr Foster. Now then. What makes you the best candidate for the job?
    Foster: Pals with Steve.
    NZRU: Uh, anything else?
    Foster: Um, let’s see. I have also put a great deal of effort into walking like Steve and talking like Steve and even eating like Steve. As you can clearly see, I am now a fat bastard, just like Steve. My commitment to becoming the next Steve is obvious. Did I mention Steve and I are pals? If you just give him a call, I am sure he will put in a good word for m
    NZRU: Mr Foster, please detail your past coaching successes.
    Foster: Uh, let’s see, I coached the Chiefs but then the next bloke came in and immediately won back-to-back Super Rugby titles.
    NZRU: Crikey. So why don’t we just hire that guy? He sounds awesome.
    Foster: Uhhh, that’s a tricky one. Can I use a lifeline and call Steve for this one?
    NZRU: No.
    Foster: OK. Um, I’d say because that winning coach isn’t pals with Steve and furthermore he doesn’t walk like Steve and talk like Steve and eat like Steve like I do. Does that answer your question?
    NZRU: We'll be in touch.

    You should write for a living. Certainly better than some of the stuff that passes as stand-up comedy on Netflix these days



  • @Tordah said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    @Rocky-Rockbottom said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    What happened to a transparent interview process?

    Wft is with this illuminati mafia-style succession / coronation closed-shop bullshit?

    I’d like to hear Fozzie’s interview….

    Foster: Hi. Here for the interview. I’m pals with Steve.
    NZRU: Um, have a seat please Mr Foster. Now then. What makes you the best candidate for the job?
    Foster: Pals with Steve.
    NZRU: Uh, anything else?
    Foster: Um, let’s see. I have also put a great deal of effort into walking like Steve and talking like Steve and even eating like Steve. As you can clearly see, I am now a fat bastard, just like Steve. My commitment to becoming the next Steve is obvious. Did I mention Steve and I are pals? If you just give him a call, I am sure he will put in a good word for m
    NZRU: Mr Foster, please detail your past coaching successes.
    Foster: Uh, let’s see, I coached the Chiefs but then the next bloke came in and immediately won back-to-back Super Rugby titles.
    NZRU: Crikey. So why don’t we just hire that guy? He sounds awesome.
    Foster: Uhhh, that’s a tricky one. Can I use a lifeline and call Steve for this one?
    NZRU: No.
    Foster: OK. Um, I’d say because that winning coach isn’t pals with Steve and furthermore he doesn’t walk like Steve and talk like Steve and eat like Steve like I do. Does that answer your question?
    NZRU: We'll be in touch.

    You should write for a living. Certainly better than some of the stuff that passes as stand-up comedy on Netflix these days

    Reminiscent of one of those Clarke and Dawe interviews..



  • @Crucial wasn't there a day in the life of Fozzie by JP and @Donsteppa ?



  • I don't have a problem with Foster necessarily, but the assistants need to be strengthened.

    We've gone from having three guys incredibly overqualified for their respective roles - Henry, Hansen and Smith to three guys who will merely be qualified.

    Each of the Cartel had NH experience and extensive provincial success as a head coach, the new appointments will likely have none.

    The NZRU need to take a look at how to include more elite coaches in the AB set up and get back to where at least two or three of our top five brains are in the AB set up.



  • What I find interesting about Smith's comments... doesn't it kind of seem he also had some reservations about Foster before working with him?



  • @Bones said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    @Crucial wasn't there a day in the life of Fozzie by JP and @Donsteppa ?

    Think we got to Sir Clive and Eddie Jones, but I don't remember Fozzie (and can't find one on Wayback Machine)

    I've never figured out how Steve Braunias manages to write a Day/Week in the Life for someone each week, they were great fun to write, but the same gags start to recycle after you've done a few of them 🙂



  • @Tordah said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    @Rocky-Rockbottom said in Wayne Smith: Ian Foster primed to take over as All Blacks coach:

    What happened to a transparent interview process?

    Wft is with this illuminati mafia-style succession / coronation closed-shop bullshit?

    I’d like to hear Fozzie’s interview….

    Foster: Hi. Here for the interview. I’m pals with Steve.
    NZRU: Um, have a seat please Mr Foster. Now then. What makes you the best candidate for the job?
    Foster: Pals with Steve.
    NZRU: Uh, anything else?
    Foster: Um, let’s see. I have also put a great deal of effort into walking like Steve and talking like Steve and even eating like Steve. As you can clearly see, I am now a fat bastard, just like Steve. My commitment to becoming the next Steve is obvious. Did I mention Steve and I are pals? If you just give him a call, I am sure he will put in a good word for m
    NZRU: Mr Foster, please detail your past coaching successes.
    Foster: Uh, let’s see, I coached the Chiefs but then the next bloke came in and immediately won back-to-back Super Rugby titles.
    NZRU: Crikey. So why don’t we just hire that guy? He sounds awesome.
    Foster: Uhhh, that’s a tricky one. Can I use a lifeline and call Steve for this one?
    NZRU: No.
    Foster: OK. Um, I’d say because that winning coach isn’t pals with Steve and furthermore he doesn’t walk like Steve and talk like Steve and eat like Steve like I do. Does that answer your question?
    NZRU: We'll be in touch.

    You should write for a living. Certainly better than some of the stuff that passes as stand-up comedy on Netflix these days

    Don't encourage him..... 😎


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