Dirtiest Rugby XV



  • Topic shamelessly stolen from Raw Rugby

    Thoughts on the selections? I'm not convinced Schalk Burger should be there ahead of Jerry Collins 🎣

    Thoughts?



  • Buck Shelford makes the list, but no room for Richard Loe. Silly. And hardly any Frenchies. Joke.



  • @salacious-crumb said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Buck Shelford makes the list, but no room for Richard Loe. Silly. And hardly any Frenchies. Joke.

    Yep.

    No Champs for starters



  • Joe Marler, Ma'a Nonu and Delon Armitage? What a joke.

    That tackle from Butch is fucken hilarious though.



  • Wow that Botha headbut really was something wasn't it. Did he get a card? memory says nope for some reason.



  • @rembrandt said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Wow that Botha headbut really was something wasn't it. Did he get a card? memory says nope for some reason.

    Not even a penalty. Cited. Received a nine week suspension.

    (I believe Meg was saying some disparaging comment about Bakkies dirty reputation during Saturday's test commentary.)

    Springbok Captain John Smit summed things up best. "Only Bakkies can explain what goes on in his head."

    http://www.rugbydump.com/2010/07/1512/bakkies-botha-suspended-for-nine-weeks-after-headbutt-on-jimmy-cowan



  • Buck wasn't a dirty player. That punch was totally appropriate in that day and age where shit got sorted on field and laughed about over a beer later.



  • My brother used to work with an Aussie international in Sydney. He used to maintain that Andy Earl was the dirtiest player he’d played against. Then one Monday morning he came into the office after playing the Boks on the Saturday. He just said 2 words. “Uli Schmidt”.



  • @salacious-crumb said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @rembrandt said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Wow that Botha headbut really was something wasn't it. Did he get a card? memory says nope for some reason.

    Not even a penalty. Cited. Received a nine week suspension.

    (I believe Meg was saying some disparaging comment about Bakkies dirty reputation during Saturday's test commentary.)

    Nesbit mentioned the 55-35 test in 1997 where a Bok got sent off (Venter). Marshall incomprehensibly suggests it was Bakkies. Botha played in the era after Marshall, how does he not know this?



  • @frye said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @salacious-crumb said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @rembrandt said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Wow that Botha headbut really was something wasn't it. Did he get a card? memory says nope for some reason.

    Not even a penalty. Cited. Received a nine week suspension.

    (I believe Meg was saying some disparaging comment about Bakkies dirty reputation during Saturday's test commentary.)

    Nesbit mentioned the 55-35 test in 1997 where a Bok got sent off (Venter). Marshall incomprehensibly suggests it was Bakkies. Botha played in the era after Marshall, how does he not know this?

    Prety sure that Marshall and Bakkies would have played each other a few times in the early 2000's



  • @sammyc said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @frye said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @salacious-crumb said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @rembrandt said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Wow that Botha headbut really was something wasn't it. Did he get a card? memory says nope for some reason.

    Not even a penalty. Cited. Received a nine week suspension.

    (I believe Meg was saying some disparaging comment about Bakkies dirty reputation during Saturday's test commentary.)

    Nesbit mentioned the 55-35 test in 1997 where a Bok got sent off (Venter). Marshall incomprehensibly suggests it was Bakkies. Botha played in the era after Marshall, how does he not know this?

    Prety sure that Marshall and Bakkies would have played each other a few times in the early 2000's

    Bakkies test debut was 2002 so if Nesbit was referring to 1997 think Marshall may have it all worng



  • @hooroo said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @sammyc said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @frye said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @salacious-crumb said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @rembrandt said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Wow that Botha headbut really was something wasn't it. Did he get a card? memory says nope for some reason.

    Not even a penalty. Cited. Received a nine week suspension.

    (I believe Meg was saying some disparaging comment about Bakkies dirty reputation during Saturday's test commentary.)

    Nesbit mentioned the 55-35 test in 1997 where a Bok got sent off (Venter). Marshall incomprehensibly suggests it was Bakkies. Botha played in the era after Marshall, how does he not know this?

    Prety sure that Marshall and Bakkies would have played each other a few times in the early 2000's

    Bakkies test debut was 2002 so if Nesbit was referring to 1997 think Marshall may have it all worng

    No shit, Nesbit said he was wrong in the commentary.

    I was replying to this

    Botha played in the era after Marshall, how does he not know this?



  • What's the team? I'm not watching the vid.

    My effort (albeit with Butch and Bakkies already mentioned above to trigger my memory) .

    Test players only. Recentish years, the age of the TV camera.

    It appears that the French gougers don't appear to get individually named, so this is quite harder than expected.

    15
    14
    13 Rougerie
    12
    11
    10 B James
    9
    8
    7
    6 T Flavell
    5
    4 B Botha
    3
    2 Hartley
    1 Loe



  • I think Mark Shaw should be in the team somewhere



  • @wally said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    My brother used to work with an Aussie international in Sydney. He used to maintain that Andy Earl was the dirtiest player he’d played against. Then one Monday morning he came into the office after playing the Boks on the Saturday. He just said 2 words. “Uli Schmidt”.

    Andy Earl?

    I went to school with Andy, so if that's as dirty as it gets maybe I could have been an All Black after all! 🙂



  • That guy who bit Fitzy's ear. I see the video gets Duncan McRae - his assault on O'Gara is about the worst I can recall in recent times.

    I think if you went a bit further back, you'd find some guys who had pretty dark reputations. Grizz Wyllie for one.

    Add in Loe and Andy Earl - maybe you could just pick a team of those Glenmark bastards! 🙂

    Graeme Higginson played there for a while, I think.



  • This guy's on the bench



  • There's probably other flankers who were dirtier across their whole career but Corne Krige deserves a mention for amassing the most runs in a match

    vs England 2002

    I can't find the old uk sky video "5 seconds of madness" but in that sequence he:

    • Half hit Dawson with a swinging arm and accidentally gave team mate Pretorious a black eye
    • Put a knee into Dallaglio's back
    • Stomped on Vickery

    Also in the same match he elbowed Robinson, punched Wilkinson a couple of times in the head, missed a punch on Dallaglio and he hit Dawson again.



  • @nzzp

    "That guy" is Pieter Van Zyl.



  • Always get your retaliation in first.



  • @duluth that was bizarre. He was on such a mission to hurt people ( and himself) it had to be seen to be believed.
    Captain too wasn't he?

    Good bloke though ☺



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  • Yeah Marshalls career finished in 2005..........................



  • @sammyc said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @frye said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @salacious-crumb said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @rembrandt said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Wow that Botha headbut really was something wasn't it. Did he get a card? memory says nope for some reason.

    Not even a penalty. Cited. Received a nine week suspension.

    (I believe Meg was saying some disparaging comment about Bakkies dirty reputation during Saturday's test commentary.)

    Nesbit mentioned the 55-35 test in 1997 where a Bok got sent off (Venter). Marshall incomprehensibly suggests it was Bakkies. Botha played in the era after Marshall, how does he not know this?

    Prety sure that Marshall and Bakkies would have played each other a few times in the early 2000's

    Oh ffs yes their careers overlapped but Botha's career was predominately post Marshalls.

    Marshall is still dumb af for thinking Botha was involved in that 1997 game.



  • Eric Champ for sure.



  • I think Gerard Cholley should be in the list together with Jean-François Imbernon and Michel Palmie. The French bunch of 1977 was a terrifying outfit.
    Jean-Pierre Garuet was more discret but vicious. He has admitted that he had voluntarily jumped on Campbell's knee during the 1987 WC semi final against Australia. This action ended Campbell's rugby career.



  • Moaner van Heerden was a notorious kicker of players on the ground. He booted Peter Whiting in the head in 1976. I heard Whiting refer to him as a “psychopathic prison guard”.
    Steve Finnane was Australian heavyweight boxing champion and was mostly in the Aussie team for his punching. Became a barrister 😄.



  • @wally said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Moaner van Heerden was a notorious kicker of players on the ground. He booted Peter Whiting in the head in 1976. I heard Whiting refer to him as a “psychopathic prison guard”.
    Steve Finnane was Australian heavyweight boxing champion and was mostly in the Aussie team for his punching. Became a barrister 😄.

    Many years ago I read in the Rugby News, when it was a weekly, that MVH had tried his usual tricks against Rhodesia. Unfortunately for him their LH was in the SAS. MVH was taken off motionless on a stretcher.



  • Marc Cecillon. First name down. Takes a dirty fluffybunny to get on the hammer, shoot his wife dead and not remember it the next day.



  • A match between this team and a Manawatu team selected from players from the mid/late 70s/early 80s would see the Citing Commissioner working overtime.



  • @higgins
    Yep. Frank Oliver’s nickname was Filth.



  • @mn5 said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Marc Cecillon. First name down. Takes a dirty fluffybunny to get on the hammer, shoot his wife dead and not remember it the next day.

    Forgot about him. Brutal.



  • @mikethesnow said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @mn5 said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Marc Cecillon. First name down. Takes a dirty fluffybunny to get on the hammer, shoot his wife dead and not remember it the next day.

    Forgot about him. Brutal.

    His son played for France until recently as well. That must have been awkward.



  • You would pick more players from the pre-TV coverage/TMO days when anything goes. Some of the shit you read from games in the 1960s-80s makes many of these modern-day filth look tame in comparison.

    Serial offenders like Hartley are just dumb with TV cameras everywhere.



  • @mn5 said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @mikethesnow said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @mn5 said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Marc Cecillon. First name down. Takes a dirty fluffybunny to get on the hammer, shoot his wife dead and not remember it the next day.

    Forgot about him. Brutal.

    His son played for France until recently as well. That must have been awkward.

    Apparently he's never met him - grew up with his mother (not the wife he killed) and stepfather.



  • Odd that no-one has mentioned dear old Danny Grewcock. He could punch, kick, stamp and very handy with the elbow too. Helps being 6'7" and a karate black belt.

    Oh and add being pretty dumb with it.

    Danny, if you're on this board, I don't really mean the dumb bit. if you're not though I do mean it.



  • @catogrande said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Odd that no-one has mentioned dear old Danny Grewcock. He could punch, kick, stamp and very handy with the elbow too. Helps being 6'7" and a karate black belt.

    Oh and add being pretty dumb with it.

    Danny, if you're on this board, I don't really mean the dumb bit. if you're not though I do mean it.

    Yep he'd be pretty near the top of any 'dont fuck with me' 15 for sure. I'd pick Johan Ackermann to partner him at lock.



  • @mn5 said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @catogrande said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    Odd that no-one has mentioned dear old Danny Grewcock. He could punch, kick, stamp and very handy with the elbow too. Helps being 6'7" and a karate black belt.

    Oh and add being pretty dumb with it.

    Danny, if you're on this board, I don't really mean the dumb bit. if you're not though I do mean it.

    Yep he'd be pretty near the top of any 'dont fuck with me' 15 for sure. I'd pick Johan Ackermann to partner him at lock.

    Moaner Van Heerdan (see above) rucked Whiting on head with result that his ear was half hanging off. Something like forty stitches to reattach. Very dirty Cnut.



  • @cgrant said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    I think Gerard Cholley should be in the list

    Made the vudeo in the OP. Nice "fend".

    But tough Nonu making that team. Pretty rough charge but I never had him down as dirty.

    I'd put nominations in for Zinny Brooke, Fitzy and Jamie Joseph though.



  • @booboo said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    @cgrant said in Dirtiest Rugby XV:

    I think Gerard Cholley should be in the list

    Made the vudeo in the OP. Nice "fend".

    But tough Nonu making that team. Pretty rough charge but I never had him down as dirty.

    I'd put nominations in for Zinny Brooke, Fitzy and Jamie Joseph though.

    Don't you mean Robin? I always remember Zinny as the hard but fair type


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