Haka-Gate



  • Is it the end of the haka? New Zealand rugby debating future of their war dance after shock claims from ALL BLACKS

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/end-haka-new-zealand-rugby-15023137?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wales_main

    Article about the haka being overused.

    Hope nothing changes.

    Rugby's loss if it gets diluted.

    And to all those who think the Haka gives an unfair advantage, you weren't good enough.



  • @mikethesnow to be honest, thats a poorly researched article.

    NZ rugby fraternity has long been split over the overuse of the haka. This isn't new.

    The dumbest thing about hakas (lets not act like NZ are the only ones that do them) is that the IRB have offical protocol about what you can do when one is being done. That's the dumbest thing ever.

    EDIT - Same as Tim, I don't watch it anymore.



  • I hardly ever watch the haka. Done to death.



  • The Chiefs didn't do "it".



  • Always watch the haka because after it’s completion it’s my cue to mute the TV.



  • It's never been the same since Ali Williams retired..



  • @crucial or Byron Kelleher



  • Bring back the old days when you had no fucken idea what they were doing



  • I like it...nothing better than a good stirring haka, but that is the issue, they aren't all done well and you wonder why in any of cases...heard someone on the radio menti9n the NZ handball team did one and was cringeworthy.

    I never did a drunk shirtless one when I was in the UK, despite the encouragement from my work colleagues.

    In a Northland wide under 13 rugby tournament in the school holidays, all the teams had one, most did them at some point.

    But the best one by far was when one of the teams did one after thier opening game for one of the boys in their team whose dad had died 3 days earlier (he played and had a blinder)...the emotion these boys did it with was something to behold, a number walked off after in tears themselves...I'm getting teary thinking about it as the boy and his brother it was done for are from my team and have coached them for 5 years.



  • Yeah I like it but get a bit sick of the amount of attention it receives when the football itself should be the talking point ,

    The age of click bait brings up all sorts of shit articles I guess



  • @taniwharugby yeah same here. I still really enjoy it. More so Kapo O Pango than Ka Mate but still like a Ka Mate.

    What I love about it now is that it is so intense



  • @kiwiinmelb said in Haka-Gate:

    Bring back the old days when you had no fucken idea what they were doing

    This one is outstanding. 15 guys somehow managing to do about 11 different Hakas.



  • It's like jazz or interpretive dance, with a haka



  • I still like it but I do think it has become over-choreographed and a "performance". Chief here is the long wind in before the actual haka commences.

    School hakas are the best.

    Most moving I've seen were at a funeral for a guy at work who topped himself and by a family seeing their son off overseas at Chch airport. Both were totally spontaneous consisted of only a few participants and could not be beat for raw emotion.

    I have performed two overseas - one at my wedding in UK which was a bit shambolic and a solo one at a conference in Bangkok which I really did throw myself into heart and soul and which got a standing ovation. Fuck my chest hurt the next way.



  • @dogmeat they were discussing it on RS the other night and they mentioned the Black Power did one for Muldoon at his funeral...which would seem odd for me?



  • @dogmeat said in Haka-Gate:

    I still like it but I do think it has become over-choreographed and a "performance". Chief here is the long wind in before the actual haka commences.

    School hakas are the best.

    Most moving I've seen were at a funeral for a guy at work who topped himself and by a family seeing their son off overseas at Chch airport. Both were totally spontaneous consisted of only a few participants and could not be beat for raw emotion.

    I have performed two overseas - one at my wedding in UK which was a bit shambolic and a solo one at a conference in Bangkok which I really did throw myself into heart and soul and which got a standing ovation. Fuck my chest hurt the next way.

    At least you didn't do a humiliator on British Morning Television like @WillieTheWaiter not too dissimilar to the video above.



  • @taniwharugby Muldoon and Black Power became quite chummy. He may have been many things but Piggy was no coward and enjoyed confrontation which the gang leaders seemed to respect. He also seemed to respect them as tough buggers which given how craven his cabinet was probably endeared them to him. He set up work programmes and accommodation to assist BP



  • @taniwharugby said in Haka-Gate:

    I like it...nothing better than a good stirring haka, but that is the issue, they aren't all done well and you wonder why in any of cases...heard someone on the radio menti9n the NZ handball team did one and was cringeworthy.

    I never did a drunk shirtless one when I was in the UK, despite the encouragement from my work colleagues.

    In a Northland wide under 13 rugby tournament in the school holidays, all the teams had one, most did them at some point.

    But the best one by far was when one of the teams did one after thier opening game for one of the boys in their team whose dad had died 3 days earlier (he played and had a blinder)...the emotion these boys did it with was something to behold, a number walked off after in tears themselves...I'm getting teary thinking about it as the boy and his brother it was done for are from my team and have coached them for 5 years.

    I did. Some hot chick said I had a big gut. This was at my absolute peak 'drink heaps, eat shit and do no exercise' period of my life and I was clocking in at about 110kg. It was great inspiration to take more care of myself on my return to NZ.

    I also had a horrific goatee.



  • I missed the haka in 1994 after getting lost trying to find Eden Park - we lost to the 'try from the end of the earth' , then in 1999 at Twickenham v France I only made it in time to see the last part of the haka. I try really hard not to miss the haka now.



  • over-produced, over choreographed, led by a fucking halfback. I said it during the French series, but i am proper over it. I also hate how we have two, and we wheel out one for "big" games (as decided by us).



  • I enjoy them and we always have fun guessing which haka will be used.

    But if you want some variety for the haka, this one for the NZ U21s is a favourite.



  • @bovidae when was that one, early 2000's



  • @taniwharugby Pehi Te Whare is leading it. You can pick out some future ABs like Sammy T.

    2003



  • @bovidae ah thought so, was at that game with @Kirwan and @WillieTheWaiter it was a very good haka!

    The Aussie side had a few very good players in it too.



  • The thing with the haka for people who don't like it is they can just go do something else when it's on - just like I piss off and do other stuff when the anthems are on.



  • @nepia said in Haka-Gate:

    The thing with the haka for people who don't like it is they can just go do something else when it's on - just like I piss off and do other stuff when the anthems are on.

    The Wallabies tried that. No wonder Genia talks about respecting it.



  • I'll always have a soft spot for the Buck Shelford era haka. It was the first version I can remember that had genuine menace. It was worth 10 points a game at least I reckon



  • Personally I agree that they’d be better off only performing it at home. I’d also prefer a little less choreographed lead-in too. Having said that, I’d hate to see it chopped completely, because it’s so well-known beyond rugby. I can’t remember how many times I’ve had someone say ‘All Blacks Haka’ to me when I’ve been traveling - all over Asia, Europe, and North America. For that alone - meaning the ‘brand’ value of the ABs that draws in AIG etc, we should keep it.



  • Genuine menance.

    Different game then. Always felt sorry for Huw, waking up to be sent off.



  • I still like it.

    But I usually watch my test matches these days a little delayed after the tots are in bed and I fast forward through it.

    When I do watch them, I don't like the 'look at moi' theatrics by the TJP-esque haka leaders. E.g the long-winded leadup.

    But, I certainly like it when at the actual stadium.

    I don't think its being overdone from an AB perspective. They do it once per match. 14 times or so a year or whatever. Other codes and Sevens victory hakas and fricking swimmers bronze medal classless medal ceremony ambushes etc are the guilty party if talking 'over done'.

    When they went on those 3 month tours of yesteryear they did it twice a week ....

    Wouldn't be bothered if it wasn't done overseas or in some venues if not welcome. The fact it has IRB protocols around it is a bit silly, that it needs them, to stop the 'outrage'.



  • Traditionally haka was only performed overseas

    Pretty sure the first haka at home was against Italy at RWC 87



  • @canefan said in Haka-Gate:

    I'll always have a soft spot for the Buck Shelford era haka. It was the first version I can remember that had genuine menace.

    Remember this? Still fairly tame from all those white boys compared to today's version. Buck and McDowall are the only players showing any menace. 🙂



  • @dogmeat said in Haka-Gate:

    Traditionally haka was only performed overseas

    Pretty sure the first haka at home was against Italy at RWC 87

    I had to look that up as I thought I could remember as a wee nipper watching the Haka live. You are right about 1987 but I couldn't see against who. It just said Buck and Hika Reid were instrumental in getting it performed at home



  • I love the haka. I hope they'll never drop it. ABs, BFs, AB7s (after winning a title, it's never done before a final), BF7s (same comment as AB7s), MABs, U20s, school haka, I always enjoy watching it. The MABs haka is probably my favourite.



  • The Haka is always better when the team is in siege mentality or under pressure... which these days is about every second year while at was almost the entire 90s and early 00s once the Haka was introduced home/away.

    Those mentioned are correct though we go back to amatuerism, make the chaps have jobs, only have Springbok Tours every four years, flush the World Cup for sure...



  • @rapido I don't get this....it's not overdone by the AB's when they do it every game, but it's overdone by the 7's side when they only perform it when they win a tournament?



  • Bring back the haka in the change sheds....



  • Shit is it haka article time of year already ?

    I was over it years ago , particularly after Dave Currie got involved in the Olympic team and he was so into it they did Hakas for successfully eating breakfast .



  • @antipodean said in Haka-Gate:

    Genuine menance.

    Different game then. Always felt sorry for Huw, waking up to be sent off.

    Great player, cheap bastard.



  • @jegga said in Haka-Gate:

    Shit is it haka article time of year already ?
    No that starts when we tour the UK and Ireland in Nov-Dec. The poor lambs think it scares little Johnnie


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