Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?



  • What happens if Ma'a Nonu makes Super Rugby his bitch in 2019? like he's the form midfielder...
    Does he make the AB's or not?



  • @westcoastie do we even know if he is making himself available? I guess we could assume it's an implied agreement upon signing a Super contract.



  • This article suggests Ma'a Nonu is keen... ' top job

    1. Beauden
    2. Rieko
    3. Ma'a
    4. Goodhue
    5. Bender
    6. Dmac

    2015 Ma'a > SBW or Laumape... but 2019 Ma'a is a great unknown....



  • While he's had his issues with super rugby form and commitment, he knows exactly what's needed for the AB's. He'd also be under no illusions that he can just lace up his boots and expect to make the squad. If he can get into decent nick and show some form... yes please. At worst (even if his form is ok) he's putting extra heat on other 12 contenders, especially a high profile one at the Blues.



  • At the very least, a bench with him, TJP and Mounga looks pretty sweet.



  • He'd be better than SBW right now, though that's not saying much.

    Crotty-Goodhue looks our best bet at the moment but there's a massive asterisk next to Crotty's fitness.

    Regardless it's great to have him back in NZ.



  • He will bring a lot of experience to the young Blues backline (I do not consider SBW among the youngs), especially to Tele'a, TJ Faiane and even Perofeta. I can only see positives in his selection. As far as All Blacks are concerned, I am more dubious as he seems to have lost his 2015 pace. However, none of the current AB 2nd Fives have his passing and tactical kicking.



  • Has anyone returned from an overseas stint that wasn't a sabbatical and been of any value?

    Working in his favour the positions centre spots aren't currently occupied (but may be on Sunday) so there is a chance, but Nonu's history and how late he is leaving his run make me weary.

    It would be quite the thing though, he missed '07 so he wouldn't be going to join Brian Lima his fifth tournament but still bloody incredible to play in RWCs 16 years apart.



  • If he's one of the top four midfielders in NZ, then it would be stupid not to select him. I doubt that he will be good enough though.



  • @tim said in Blues 2019 - (New Head Coach):

    Nonu returns hoping to make the RWC squad? Not many players come back as good as before, but if he has lost little of his abilities and he has the motivation I'd consider switching him in for SBW.....



  • @rotated said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Has anyone returned from an overseas stint that wasn't a sabbatical and been of any value?

    Working in his favour the positions centre spots aren't currently occupied (but may be on Sunday) so there is a chance, but Nonu's history and how late he is leaving his run make me weary.

    It would be quite the thing though, he missed '07 so he wouldn't be going to join Brian Lima his fifth tournament but still bloody incredible to play in RWCs 16 years apart.

    Matt Todd



  • @scribe said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @rotated said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Has anyone returned from an overseas stint that wasn't a sabbatical and been of any value?

    Working in his favour the positions centre spots aren't currently occupied (but may be on Sunday) so there is a chance, but Nonu's history and how late he is leaving his run make me weary.

    It would be quite the thing though, he missed '07 so he wouldn't be going to join Brian Lima his fifth tournament but still bloody incredible to play in RWCs 16 years apart.

    Matt Todd

    He hasn't returned.



  • The ghost of Luke MacAllister is looming in the background.



  • See how he goes first , if he is good enough , absolutely

    my gut feeling is though, father time will have caught up to him and he wont quite be the same , happens to the best of us



  • For most players, no, but as it's one of the greatest players to ever play the game, yes. Even if he's only 60-70% of the player he once was I'd still take him.



  • @rotated said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Has anyone returned from an overseas stint that wasn't a sabbatical and been of any value?

    Working in his favour the positions centre spots aren't currently occupied (but may be on Sunday) so there is a chance, but Nonu's history and how late he is leaving his run make me weary.

    It would be quite the thing though, he missed '07 so he wouldn't be going to join Brian Lima his fifth tournament but still bloody incredible to play in RWCs 16 years apart.

    Leon MacDonald, Nonu, Kaino off the top of my head.



  • It ain't a well trodden path coming back from so long over seas and getting back in black, but if he is playing good enough, then I'm in.



  • @scribe Scott McLeod returned in fabulous form from Japan. I suspect it was because he got a long pause from injury.

    French rugby is the opposite generally, in that you are worn down.



  • @african-monkey said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    For most players, no, but as it's one of the greatest players to ever play the game, yes. Even if he's only 60-70% of the player he once was I'd still take him.

    He's no ordinary player. Even his mentor Tana fell off a cliff in his last Super season. Nonu was brilliant right up until the day he walked away from the ABs. Let's see what he looks like when he gets back



  • A certain BBBT played 9 tests at Nonus age.



  • There is something different about Nonus' return than previous players - he's had a long break. He's not arriving immediately after a NH season. I think his last game was back in May? (apart from the world xv match)
    That's a good off season to clear up all those niggles he would have picked up over the years

    Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if TJ Faiane is the starting Blues 12 by the end of the season. The new coach doesn't have the same loyalty to either of the old guys as the sacked coach



  • Nonu's performances were always up and down in Super Rugby, the opposite of his time in the ABs once he was the established 2nd 5. Sometimes he looked disinterested. If he is serious about pushing for a place in the 2019 RWC squad he's going to roll back the years to 2015 form.



  • @bovidae said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Nonu's performances were always up and down in Super Rugby, the opposite of his time in the ABs once he was the established 2nd 5. Sometimes he looked disinterested. If he is serious about pushing for a place in the 2019 RWC squad he's going to roll back the years to 2015 form.



  • @kirwan said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @rotated said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Has anyone returned from an overseas stint that wasn't a sabbatical and been of any value?

    Leon MacDonald, Nonu, Kaino off the top of my head.

    II'll give you Kaino (although he was talking about coming back before he left), Nonu's was a sabbatical, MacDonald's was effectively a sabattical. The hurdle seems to be when a player mentally has shut the door on playing for the ABs again and the sharpness and fitness goes as a result, prying the door open again seems to be bloody tough.



  • @rotated said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @kirwan said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @rotated said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Has anyone returned from an overseas stint that wasn't a sabbatical and been of any value?

    Leon MacDonald, Nonu, Kaino off the top of my head.

    II'll give you Kaino (although he was talking about coming back before he left), Nonu's was a sabbatical, MacDonald's was effectively a sabattical. The hurdle seems to be when a player mentally has shut the door on playing for the ABs again and the sharpness and fitness goes as a result, prying the door open again seems to be bloody tough.

    Lucre was the cautionary tale that springs to mind. Thought he could go off and get paid, then come back and get back in, but he was worse when he got back. He didn't have Nonu's gifts though. Having met him in passing once, the guy is a total farking meast, like a squared off block of granite. He always seemed more durable than the rest. I can't recall him ever really getting injured



  • I say yay.

    On the theory that the only way he gets back in is if he is absolutely killing it. His best form equates to the best 12 i have ever seen, why overlook that on principle?

    Of course the chances of that form reappearing at e very very slim, it's 15 years since he made his debut!!



  • @westcoastie said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    What happens if Ma'a Nonu makes Super Rugby his bitch in 2019? like he's the form midfielder...
    Does he make the AB's or not?

    In the unlikely event that happened, easily.



  • Whats Conrad Smith up to? DC is just finishing up a season in Japan. Could his arm be twisted as well.

    9.Smith
    10 DC*
    11. Ioane
    12.Nonu
    13. Smith
    14. Smith
    15. Barrett

    • DC doesn't have to play any Super Rugby or RC as he was shit in 2015 just needs to turn it up at the RWC.

    Oh and yes to Nonu if he brings the noise.



  • Could be a viable bench option to close out games. Who wouldn't want that experience out there - and hopefully his vision and skills are still there, even if the physical attributes may have waned a bit.



  • One of the best players in the History of the game. If he is in good enough physical condition and tip-top form, he'll make the RWC squad.



  • Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!



  • @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!

    I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.

    Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes



  • @hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!

    I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.

    Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes

    yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.

    Who would you call most consistent?



  • @hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!

    I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.

    Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes

    He started slow but you can't deny the latter years of his career were GOAT level



  • @mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!

    I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.

    Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes

    yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.

    Who would you call most consistent?

    Say SBW.....I'll get some popcorn



  • @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!

    I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.

    Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes

    yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.

    Who would you call most consistent?

    Say SBW.....I'll get some popcorn

    no no, that's too big a lure to catch anything, you need to be waaay more subtle than that.



  • @mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!

    I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.

    Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes

    yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.

    Who would you call most consistent?

    Say SBW.....I'll get some popcorn

    no no, that's too big a lure to catch anything, you need to be waaay more subtle than that.

    Not everyone is high brow like you. Hooroo might go Walter Little, Aaron Maurer....even old mate Alama Ieremia



  • @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!

    I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.

    Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes

    yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.

    Who would you call most consistent?

    Say SBW.....I'll get some popcorn

    no no, that's too big a lure to catch anything, you need to be waaay more subtle than that.

    Not everyone is high brow like you. Hooroo might go Walter Little, Aaron Maurer....even old mate Alama Ieremia

    well, it depends on which island you are fishing off really.



  • @mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!

    I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.

    Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes

    yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.

    Who would you call most consistent?

    Horan for most consistent?

    I'm kind of arguing against myself here as I think when Ma'a was at his best he has no equal as he was immense on attack, defence and distribution. But man o man were there some rusty years too



  • @hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mariner4life said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @hooroo said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    @mn5 said in Ma'a Nonu...RWC or nah?:

    Ma'a is far and away the best 12 the ABs have had.

    He's come a long way since the days of getting on the piss and arrested on Courtney Place!

    I think his finest years put him into that echelon but there were years of dross as well.

    Have we seen more consistent 12's throughout their AB career, yes

    yep, 4 years as good as anyone i have ever seen, including Horan. That's in a 12 year career though.

    Who would you call most consistent?

    Horan for most consistent?

    I'm kind of arguing against myself here as I think when Ma'a was at his best he has no equal as he was immense on attack, defence and distribution. But man o man were there some rusty years too

    oh yea world wide it's Horan by the length of the straight. I thought we were talking NZ only.


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