Message to Joe Schmidt
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Please agree to coach the All Blacks from 2020.
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He can assemble a better team than Hansen has since Smith left.
Ted/Shag/Smith all had previous international experience, domestic success and spent time in the NH game. We got three for the price of one (and they all checked their egos). It's been a slow rot with Ted going, then Smith, but now it's Hansen and two guys no one would want coaching their Super franchise, much less the test side.
Schmidt, Cotter, Feek.
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Joe Schmidt's Ireland probably have the most identifiable style in World Rugby. It's a simple game plan. If you are in your own half, you put up contestable box kicks. As soon as you get in the other team's half you keep the ball. In defence, you rush up and try not to concede penalties.
It is effective for Ireland but a lot of fans wouldn't like it if he tried to coach the All Blacks like that. It is a lot different trying to coach Ireland and trying to coach us - mostly in terms of expectations. Schmidt's All Blacks could either be a super side. We could develop the ability to play smart rugby and create more balance between trying to play at pace and trying to maintain pressure. The other side of the coin is that we could get drawn into close games and lose our attacking prowess.
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@hydro11 said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
Joe Schmidt's Ireland probably have the most identifiable style in World Rugby. It's a simple game plan. If you are in your own half, you put up contestable box kicks. As soon as you get in the other team's half you keep the ball. In defence, you rush up and try not to concede penalties.
It is effective for Ireland but a lot of fans wouldn't like it if he tried to coach the All Blacks like that. It is a lot different trying to coach Ireland and trying to coach us - mostly in terms of expectations. Schmidt's All Blacks could either be a super side. We could develop the ability to play smart rugby and create more balance between trying to play at pace and trying to maintain pressure. The other side of the coin is that we could get drawn into close games and lose our attacking prowess.
Is that a style he is known for or is he simply making the best use of the cattle he has available?
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@canefan said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@hydro11 said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
Joe Schmidt's Ireland probably have the most identifiable style in World Rugby. It's a simple game plan. If you are in your own half, you put up contestable box kicks. As soon as you get in the other team's half you keep the ball. In defence, you rush up and try not to concede penalties.
It is effective for Ireland but a lot of fans wouldn't like it if he tried to coach the All Blacks like that. It is a lot different trying to coach Ireland and trying to coach us - mostly in terms of expectations. Schmidt's All Blacks could either be a super side. We could develop the ability to play smart rugby and create more balance between trying to play at pace and trying to maintain pressure. The other side of the coin is that we could get drawn into close games and lose our attacking prowess.
Is that a style he is known for or is he simply making the best use of the cattle he has available?
Not sure. He has only coached Leinster as a head coach otherwise.
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@hydro11 said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@canefan said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@hydro11 said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
Joe Schmidt's Ireland probably have the most identifiable style in World Rugby. It's a simple game plan. If you are in your own half, you put up contestable box kicks. As soon as you get in the other team's half you keep the ball. In defence, you rush up and try not to concede penalties.
It is effective for Ireland but a lot of fans wouldn't like it if he tried to coach the All Blacks like that. It is a lot different trying to coach Ireland and trying to coach us - mostly in terms of expectations. Schmidt's All Blacks could either be a super side. We could develop the ability to play smart rugby and create more balance between trying to play at pace and trying to maintain pressure. The other side of the coin is that we could get drawn into close games and lose our attacking prowess.
Is that a style he is known for or is he simply making the best use of the cattle he has available?
Not sure. He has only coached Leinster as a head coach otherwise.
If the successor doesn't come from the current setup (assuming Hansen leaves after Japan) we will be taking a leap of faith with the next guy. Schmidt has instilled belief discipline and accuracy and I reckon he is worth a shot
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@canefan said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
Is that a style he is known for or is he simply making the best use of the cattle he has available?
That's the great unknown.
Schmidt's teams have a very distinctive style which is not really the way NZ teams play, including the ABs. I'd liken it more to a NRL team in its execution.
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The rest of the world learned from New Zealand. I think it is time for New Zealand to learn from the rest of the world. Don't forget about the importance of power. Set piece matters. Defence is at least 50 percent of the game. Make sure all your team are clear about the game plan.
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But surely Ian Foster and Scott McL...
Oh.
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@donsteppa and Tana to complete the three. That's why he stepped down at the Blues.
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@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
The rest of the world learned from New Zealand. I think it is time for New Zealand to learn from the rest of the world. Don't forget about the importance of power. Set piece matters. Defence is at least 50 percent of the game. Make sure all your team are clear about the game plan.
To be fair, our set piece has done well and our defence is up there with the best in the world. Our problems are mostly in attack when teams stop us from playing.
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@hydro11 our defence has been poor this year...
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I'm backing Razor.
Fuck Schmidt.
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Agree @booboo I'd rather Razor or getting Rennie back.
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@booboo said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
I'm backing Razor.
Fuck Schmidt.
Actually yeah. Schmidt is a traitorous fluffybunny. I might have mentioned it elsewhere.
He would also appear to be a good coach.
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We probably do need some fresh ideas. It all looks a bit stale and we have been caught.
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@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
The rest of the world learned from New Zealand. I think it is time for New Zealand to learn from the rest of the world. Don't forget about the importance of power. Set piece matters. Defence is at least 50 percent of the game. Make sure all your team are clear about the game plan.
last week our line out was amazing and world rugby was echoing that. Our scrum was referred to the best in world rugby in the early comments by NH commentators vs England.
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Remember how Wayne Smith would get at least one big money offer a year when he was an assistant? I wonder if Foster has ever had one.
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@rotated said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
Remember how Wayne Smith would get at least one big money offer a year when he was an assistant? I wonder if Foster has ever had one.
Well, if we don't win the RWC, I'll give him twenty bucks to fuck off!
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Joe Schmidt to make a big annoucment about his future next year :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/46307826
If he choses to move home to NZ I doubt it would be for an early retirement.
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@sparky thing is, if he is making a decision next week, it is highly likely to be staying.
Granted we all know he has been doing a good job with Ireland, but you'd have to say the beating of the drums has only gotten louder int he past week, and given Hansen is yet to announce his decision (although assume he has likely told Tew what he intends) so you reckon Tew & Co have been that proactive and negotiating with Schmidt already, or you reckon they are happy with thier processes they have already and will start looking next year...then appoint
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@booboo Totally Razor over Schmidt
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Hanson and Schmidt get on quite well too right? (Didn't he buy tickets off him for the game?) Maybe it'll be a straight replacement keeping existing AB assistant coaches for the first year as he beds in and then he'll appoint his preferred team after that.
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On Planet Rugby they reckon Schmidt is leaving Ireland.
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@tim to replace Crusty...with immediate effect
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@chris no way, razor needs more experience
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@rotated said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
Remember how Wayne Smith would get at least one big money offer a year when he was an assistant? I wonder if Foster has ever had one.
Maybe he gets bribes from other countries to stay on?
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@machpants said so himself.
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If and it is if, Joe Schmidt, became All Blacks coach, I guess he would take Greg Feek with him to coach the All Blacks forwards. He might keep Foz on as Assistant Coach.
Schmidt's ideas on defence at the moment look most different to Steve Hansen's.
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Andy Farrell working with the ABs would be interesting.
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@bovidae According to this piece, Andy Farrell might get the Ireland job if Joe Schmidt leaves.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/five-coaches-ireland-consider-joe-schmidt-decides-walk-185719
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Every time I read the title to this thread, I have the same answer:
Fuck you!
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@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
To coach a side from 8th to 2nd (nearly top) of the World Ranking is some achievement for Mr Schmidt.
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@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
To coach a side from 8th to 2nd (nearly top) of the World Ranking is some achievement for Mr Schmidt.
So you CAN change the team culture and get results at the same time! Who knew???!!!
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Schmidt is the chosen one for sure.
And they all want to coach the ABs
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Who would want to be the next coach of the ABs??
Unless next year completely falls in a heap, you have to follow a guy that has been either assistant or head coach through the greatest period of dominance the sport has ever seen, regardless of the world cup result next year.
You come in, and you either continue in the same manner, as everyone expects, and you cop shit for every minor setback. Or the team drops away, and you get blamed for burning the legacy. How the fuck do you win.
If we win the Cup it's even worse.
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@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
How many wins did Wales get?
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@bones said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
How many wins did Wales get?
I just remember Ted being hailed as the Great Redeemer only to be cast out not long after
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@canefan said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@bones said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
How many wins did Wales get?
I just remember Ted being hailed as the Great Redeemer only to be cast out not long after
Henry did well for Wales but Hansen really didn't.
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@hydro11 said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
Henry did well for Wales but Hansen really didn't.
That's being kind. Only 10 wins in 29 tests, and much worse than the coaches before and after him.
