6 Nations 2019



  • Wales squad named

    Not bad considering the injuries

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/46877296

    Wales squad

    Forwards: Rob Evans (Scarlets), Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Nicky Smith (Ospreys), Elliot Dee (Dragons), Ryan Elias (Scarlets), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Leon Brown (Dragons), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Seb Davies (Cardiff Blues), Cory Hill (Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (captain, Ospreys) Ross Moriarty (Dragons), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Josh Turnbull (Cardiff Blues), Aaron Wainwright (Dragons), Thomas Young (Wasps)

    Backs: Aled Davies (Ospreys), Gareth Davies (Scarlets), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), Dan Biggar (Northampton), Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Jonathan Davies (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets), Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Scott Williams (Ospreys), Josh Adams (Worcester), Hallam Amos (Dragons), Steffan Evans (Scarlets), Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets), Jonah Holmes (Leicester), George North (Ospreys), Liam Williams (Saracens)



  • As an initial stab, here’s my guess for Ireland squad with a couple of options in 2-3 positions - all coming from Connacht who have improved greatly this season.

    With Luke McGrath definitely out, and a question mark over when Kieran Marmion can return, his understudy, Caolin Blade at Connacht should be a deserved shout. Blade and outhalf Jack Carty have been the best form halfback pairing of the Irish teams this season in my view. And if we lose a 10 between now and Japan, Carty is well-worth considering as a back-up. Ultan Dillane has recovered some of his earlier career form and could oust his Connacht team-mate Quinn Roux to get a lock spot. Ditto Finlay Bealham instead of Munster’s Kilcoyne. One other Connacht player who might be considered is midfielder, Tom Farrell, who partners Aki in the Westerners first team.

    Hookers: Best, Cronin, Scannell.
    LH: Healy, McGrath, Kilcoyne/Bealham,
    TH: Furlong, Porter, John Ryan.
    Locks: James Ryan, Toner, Beirne, Henderson, Dillane/Roux.
    Back-rowers: SOB, POM, Stander, vdF, Conan, Murphy, Leavy, Ruddock.
    Scumhalves: Murray, Cooney, Marmion/Blade.
    Outhalves: Sexton, Carbery, Byrne/Carty.
    Centres: Henshaw, Aki, Ringrose, Chris Farrell/Tom Farrell
    Back three: Conway, Stockdale, Earls, R Kearney, Larmour, Addison.



  • SCOTLAND SQUAD:

    FORWARDS (22)
    Alex Allan (Glasgow Warriors) – 7 caps
    Adam Ashe (Glasgow Warriors) – 6 caps
    Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 14 caps
    Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 11 caps
    David Cherry (Edinburgh) – uncapped
    Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 17 caps
    Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh) – 28 caps
    Gary Graham (Newcastle Falcons) – uncapped
    Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 47 caps
    John Hardie (Newcastle Falcons) – 16 caps
    Jake Kerr (Leicester Tigers) – uncapped
    Stuart McInally (Edinburgh) – 22 caps
    Willem Nel (Edinburgh) – 26 caps
    D’Arcy Rae (Glasgow Warriors) - uncapped
    Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – 6 caps
    Sam Skinner (Exeter Chiefs) – 3 caps
    Grant Stewart (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
    Josh Strauss (Sale Sharks) – 17 caps
    Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 38 caps
    Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 14 caps
    Hamish Watson (Edinburgh) – 23 caps
    Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 41 caps

    BACKS (17)
    Chris Dean (Edinburgh) – uncapped
    Darcy Graham (Edinburgh) – 1 cap
    Nick Grigg (Glasgow Warriors) – 6 caps
    Sam Johnson (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
    Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 6 caps
    Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – 7 caps
    Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 65 caps
    George Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 4 caps
    Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 38 caps
    Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps
    Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 10 caps
    Blair Kinghorn (Edinburgh) – 7 caps
    Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Clermont Auvergne) – 66 caps
    Sean Maitland (Saracens) – 37 caps
    Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 19 caps
    Finn Russell (Racing 92) – 40 caps
    Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 46 caps

    Unavailable through injury:
    John Barclay (Edinburgh), Mark Bennett (Edinburgh), Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh), Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors), Lewis Carmichael (Edinburgh), David Denton (Leicester Tigers), Cornell Du Preez (Worcester Warriors), Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Toulouse), Luke Hamilton (Edinburgh), Damien Hoyland (Edinburgh), Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks), Matt Scott (Edinburgh), Rory Sutherland (Edinburgh), Duncan Taylor (Saracens), Blade Thomson (Scarlets), George Turner (Glasgow Warriors), Jon Welsh (Newcastle Falcons).

    http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/19/01/15/seven-uncapped-scots-named-2019-guinness-six-nations-squad



  • Ireland squad named for 6N rounds 1&2 and as I’d hoped Connacht form players rewarded with inclusion - Dillane back in favour and newbies Blade/Carty - halfbacks and Tom Farrell midfielder.:

    Hookers
    Rory Best (Ulster/Banbridge) 113 caps Captain
    Sean Cronin (Leinster/St Mary's College) 65 caps
    Niall Scannell (Munster/Dolphin) 11 caps

    LH/TH
    Cian Healy (Leinster/Clontarf) 84 caps
    Dave Kilcoyne (Munster/UL Bohemians) 24 caps
    Jack McGrath (Leinster/St Marys College) 53 caps
    Tadhg Furlong (Leinster/Clontarf) 28 caps
    Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 11 caps
    John Ryan (Munster/Cork Constitution) 16 caps

    Locks
    Tadhg Beirne (Munster/Lansdowne) 4 caps
    Ultan Dillane (Connacht/Corinthians) 11 caps
    Iain Henderson (Ulster/Queens University) 42 caps
    James Ryan (Leinster/UCD) 13 caps
    Devin Toner (Leinster/Lansdowne) 63 caps

    Backrowers
    Jack Conan (Leinster/Old Belvedere) 11 caps
    Jordi Murphy (Ulster/Lansdowne) 26 caps
    Sean O'Brien (Leinster/UCD) 52 caps
    Peter O'Mahony (Munster/Cork Constitution) 52 caps (vc)
    Rhys Ruddock (Leinster/St Mary's College) 21 caps
    CJ Stander (Munster/Shannon) 28 caps
    Josh van der Flier (Leinster/UCD) 13 caps

    Scrum-halves
    Caolin Blade (Connacht/Galwegians) 0 caps
    John Cooney (Ulster/Terenure College) 4 caps
    Conor Murray (Munster/Garryowen) 67 caps

    10s
    Joey Carbery (Munster/Clontarf) 16 caps
    Jack Carty (Connacht/Buccaneers) 0 caps
    Jonathan Sexton (Leinster/St Marys College) 78 caps (vc)

    Centres
    Bundee Aki (Connacht/Galwegians) 12 caps
    Chris Farrell (Munster/Young Munster) 3 caps
    Tom Farrell (Connacht/TBC) 0 caps
    Robbie Henshaw (Leinster/Buccaneers) 36 caps
    Garry Ringrose (Leinster/UCD) 17 caps

    Back-three
    Will Addison (Ulster/Enniskillen) 3 caps
    Andrew Conway (Munster/Garryowen) 10 caps
    Keith Earls (Munster/Young Munster) 72 caps
    Rob Kearney (Leinster/UCD) 87 caps
    Jordan Larmour (Leinster/St Mary's College) 9 caps
    Jacob Stockdale (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 14 caps



  • These seem like bloody massive squads. Is this typical? Do they get trimmed before the competition?



  • @Derm-McCrum said in 6 Nations 2019:

    As an initial stab, here’s my guess for Ireland squad with a couple of options in 2-3 positions - all coming from Connacht who have improved greatly this season.

    With Luke McGrath definitely out, and a question mark over when Kieran Marmion can return, his understudy, Caolin Blade at Connacht should be a deserved shout. Blade and outhalf Jack Carty have been the best form halfback pairing of the Irish teams this season in my view. And if we lose a 10 between now and Japan, Carty is well-worth considering as a back-up. Ultan Dillane has recovered some of his earlier career form and could oust his Connacht team-mate Quinn Roux to get a lock spot. Ditto Finlay Bealham instead of Munster’s Kilcoyne. One other Connacht player who might be considered is midfielder, Tom Farrell, who partners Aki in the Westerners first team.

    Hookers: Best, Cronin, Scannell.
    LH: Healy, McGrath, Kilcoyne/Bealham,
    TH: Furlong, Porter, John Ryan.
    Locks: James Ryan, Toner, Beirne, Henderson, Dillane/Roux.
    Back-rowers: SOB, POM, Stander, vdF, Conan, Murphy, Leavy, Ruddock.
    Scumhalves: Murray, Cooney, Marmion/Blade.
    Outhalves: Sexton, Carbery, Byrne/Carty.
    Centres: Henshaw, Aki, Ringrose, Chris Farrell/Tom Farrell
    Back three: Conway, Stockdale, Earls, R Kearney, Larmour, Addison.

    Not a bad initial stab!



  • @Catogrande

    True - I've been shouting T Farrell's name since last season - partnering with Aki has done him a power of good, but he's really come into his own this season even with Aki out. Carty has been near faultless in his 16 appearances so far in 2018/19, and Blade and himself have a very good partnership. Whether Schmidt selects them is another matter, but I'd hope the Italian game at least might give them some time on the pitch.



  • @Bones said in 6 Nations 2019:

    These seem like bloody massive squads. Is this typical? Do they get trimmed before the competition?

    Schmidt likes to involve new players in the squad camp environment even if they just have oppo roles to give them a taste. Some players are let back to provinces if there's a PRO14 game coming up and they're not in game plans so the provinces aren't short-handed unnecessarily. He may still lose one or two with a European final round this weekend, and another PRO14 game before the 6N starts.



  • @Derm-McCrum So if Ireland smash England, do they take top in the world rankings? Either way they'll have it by the end of the tournament

    Edit. No where near, I thought incorrectly the opening game is in England.

    1 New Zealand 92.54
    2 Ireland 91.48 (+0.31)
    3 Wales 87.24
    4 England 85.91 (-0.31)



  • @Machpants said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @Derm-McCrum So if Ireland smash England, do they take top in the world rankings? Either way they'll have it by the end of the tournament

    Edit. No where near, I thought incorrectly the opening game is in England.

    1 New Zealand 92.54
    2 Ireland 91.48 (+0.31)
    3 Wales 87.24
    4 England 85.91 (-0.31)

    No. Ireland beating Eng by over 15 still has them over a point behind NZ.

    England can overtake Ireland with a 15+ win

    If Ireland win all their games they may top the rankings but it is hard to calc that without guessing other outcomes.





  • @Crucial said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @Machpants said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @Derm-McCrum So if Ireland smash England, do they take top in the world rankings? Either way they'll have it by the end of the tournament

    Edit. No where near, I thought incorrectly the opening game is in England.

    1 New Zealand 92.54
    2 Ireland 91.48 (+0.31)
    3 Wales 87.24
    4 England 85.91 (-0.31)

    No. Ireland beating Eng by over 15 still has them over a point behind NZ.

    England can overtake Ireland with a 15+ win

    If Ireland win all their games they may top the rankings but it is hard to calc that without guessing other outcomes.

    Do I detect some nervousness amongst the Fern brethren?

    🎣



  • @Derm-McCrum I'm married, being on top in everything is getting boring. A change in position would be nice actually.



  • @mariner4life said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @Derm-McCrum I'm married, being on top in everything is getting boring. A change in position would be nice actually.

    Welcome to the Fern Mrs mariner4life. I hope you enjoy your stay.



  • @Virgil said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @mariner4life said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @Derm-McCrum I'm married, being on top in everything is getting boring. A change in position would be nice actually.

    Welcome to the Fern Mrs mariner4life. I hope you enjoy your stay.

    That's pretty good for you. Did your wife's boyfriend type it?



  • @mariner4life said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @Virgil said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @mariner4life said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @Derm-McCrum I'm married, being on top in everything is getting boring. A change in position would be nice actually.

    Welcome to the Fern Mrs mariner4life. I hope you enjoy your stay.

    That's pretty good for you. Did your wife's boyfriend type it?

    And he’s back..



  • @Machpants said in 6 Nations 2019:

    Uuum Eddie had been partying with Beale, I think

    https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12504/11610356/eddie-jones-says-jack-nowell-could-be-an-england-flanker

    Lancaster and Burgess must be having a right old chuckle.



  • Interesting stats

    I'd love to see a rugby champ squads equivalent when they are announced



  • @Machpants An amazing turnover in the squads which isn't all that surprising for such an attritional collision sport, but I wonder what the stats will be for the starting teams.

    Just goes to highlight why there are so few centurions in the sport. Not playing test rugby must add a couple of years to your earning capacity.



  • @Machpants said in 6 Nations 2019:

    I'd love to see a rugby champ squads equivalent when they are announced

    Haven't calc'd it but pretty sure the ABs 2014 to 2018 EOYT comparison would be similar.
    Misleading stats IMO. They are taking reference points at key times in the RWC cycle when 'refreshing' is done.
    Only very key standout players (relative to team strength) survive through multiple cycles. Look at the RWC record books and the names of those at the top of the appearance list. (McCaw, Mealamu, Leonard, Gregan, Burger....)



  • I’d only comment on the Ireland selection but it’s skewed in that he used the wider 46-man squad which included players for a Wolfhounds match vs Saxons that was reduced to 38 for start of Six Nations.

    As for players changed since 2015 well players like Ross, O’Connell, Reddan, Boss, White, Strauss, Ryan were all in their early 30s so they retired - certainly from test arena. Some weren’t good enough - Cave, Dom Ryan, Keatley - and some left - Madigan, Zebo, Moore.

    It’s not exactly a picture of attrition.



  • Good interview with Joe Schmidt on Ireland, playbooks, and a bit about his family/future.

    https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-union/11616209/six-nations-2019-joe-schmidt-puts-family-first



  • Anyone else pretty excited by the 6N starting this weekend? Shaping up as a good few weeks of rugby, with some important form lines being set for September.

    Can the Irish cement their place as the world's number 1 team?
    Has Eddie Jones "Eddie Jonesed" England and taken them as far as he can, and they are now backsliding, or are they bouncing back to their previous form?
    How the fuck are Wales #3 in the world?
    Can the Scots actually climb the table? (I understand they have a bunch of guys out though) or are they condemned to always scrapping with France & Italy for the spoon?
    Are France still fucked?

    I had better check it is actually being shown in Aus, seeing as the country is trying hard to pretend rugby doesn't exist any more.



  • Time to move the VPN to UK.



  • @antipodean said in 6 Nations 2019:

    Time to move the VPN to UK.

    BeIn sports has it all live.



  • No Kieran Marmion? Is a win against all blacks while starting not good enough?



  • @mariner4life said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @antipodean said in 6 Nations 2019:

    Time to move the VPN to UK.

    BeIn sports has it all live.

    Was thinking about joining Kayo as a trial to watch the matches - but they don't appear to have a smart tv app (I don't think my tv is an android tv either so can't get the android app).

    Foxtel has no deals at the moment either. 😡



  • @mariner4life said in 6 Nations 2019:

    Anyone else pretty excited by the 6N starting this weekend? Shaping up as a good few weeks of rugby, with some important form lines being set for September.

    Can the Irish cement their place as the world's number 1 team?
    Has Eddie Jones "Eddie Jonesed" England and taken them as far as he can, and they are now backsliding, or are they bouncing back to their previous form?
    How the fuck are Wales #3 in the world?
    Can the Scots actually climb the table? (I understand they have a bunch of guys out though) or are they condemned to always scrapping with France & Italy for the spoon?
    Are France still fucked?

    I had better check it is actually being shown in Aus, seeing as the country is trying hard to pretend rugby doesn't exist any more.

    I'll let this screenshot prove my point emphatically.....

    Screenshot_20190130-175514.png

    Of course if you move it just a bit you'll see the Italians sneak a win in 2015 but fuck those spaghetti eating pretenders. What do they actually bring to the tournament apart from Sergio Parisse getting a chance to extend his record for most losses in test rugby history ?



  • @MN5 so you'd prefer them to not be there just to really cement Scotland's shitness?



  • @Bones said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @MN5 so you'd prefer them to not be there just to really cement Scotland's shitness?

    ATM it's the cheese eating surrender monkeys cementing shitness

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  • Looks like the fat fuck is going to be dropped:



  • @Bones said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @MN5 so you'd prefer them to not be there just to really cement Scotland's shitness?

    7th in the world fluffybunny and don't you forget it !

    If being ranked in the top ten in a World tournament is shit then Rugby is about as much of a World Game as loigue.



  • @MN5 well duh, Lebanon is in the league world cup.



  • @Bones said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @MN5 well duh, Lebanon is in the league world cup.

    They're great at offensive bombs.



  • @Yeahtheboys said in 6 Nations 2019:

    No Kieran Marmion? Is a win against all blacks while starting not good enough?

    Who? Caolin Blade has been in better form for Connacht. Oh and Marmion has an injury as well....



  • "England will be without wing Joe Cokanasiga, centre Ben Te’o, hooker Dylan Hartley and flanker Brad Shields for Saturday’s Six Nations opener against holders Ireland".
    That's bad luck, they will have to pick some Englishmen instead.

    England 25-man squad
    Forwards: Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs), Tom Curry (Sale Sharks), Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers), Jamie George (Saracens), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs), Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)

    Backs: Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks), Mike Brown (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Leicester Tigers), Jonny May (Leicester Tigers), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Dan Robson (Wasps), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)



  • @Daffy-Jaffy said in 6 Nations 2019:

    "England will be without wing Joe Cokanasiga, centre Ben Te’o, hooker Dylan Hartley and flanker Brad Shields for Saturday’s Six Nations opener against holders Ireland".
    That's bad luck, they will have to pick some Englishmen instead.

    England 25-man squad
    Forwards: Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs), Tom Curry (Sale Sharks), Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers), Jamie George (Saracens), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs), Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)

    Backs: Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks), Mike Brown (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Leicester Tigers), Jonny May (Leicester Tigers), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Dan Robson (Wasps), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

    Cheika goes for 24, Eddie 25...…

    Just name your fucking 23 FFS and stop playing silly arses



  • @Crucial Whatever Krusty can do, Eddie can do 4.166% better.



  • @Crucial said in 6 Nations 2019:

    @Daffy-Jaffy said in 6 Nations 2019:

    "England will be without wing Joe Cokanasiga, centre Ben Te’o, hooker Dylan Hartley and flanker Brad Shields for Saturday’s Six Nations opener against holders Ireland".
    That's bad luck, they will have to pick some Englishmen instead.

    England 25-man squad
    Forwards: Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs), Tom Curry (Sale Sharks), Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers), Jamie George (Saracens), Nathan Hughes (Wasps), Maro Itoje (Saracens), George Kruis (Saracens), Joe Launchbury (Wasps), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs), Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)

    Backs: Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks), Mike Brown (Harlequins), Elliot Daly (Wasps), Owen Farrell (Saracens), George Ford (Leicester Tigers), Jonny May (Leicester Tigers), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Dan Robson (Wasps), Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs), Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers), Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

    Cheika goes for 24, Eddie 25...…

    Just name your fucking 23 FFS and stop playing silly arses

    Australians, no surprises there......



  • In a new departure for Joe Schmidt, he has announced the foreign-born players in his squad to facilitate headline writers in various foreign media:

    NZ Media: Joey Carbery and Bundee Aki with coaches Joe Schmidt, Greg Feek
    English media: Will Addison with coaches Andy Farrell and Simon Easterby
    South African media: CJ Stander and Quinn Roux
    French media: Ultan Dillane
    Spanish media: Jordi Murphy
    Not-born in Dublin media: Sean O'Brien, Tadgh Furlong, POM, Murray, Earls, Best, Stockdale, Henshaw, Toner, vdF, Cronin

    Dublin-born players will be announced at the usual time tomorrow.

    Edit: 2 more sleeps......


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