Christchurch Gunman in Mosque



  • Gunning down unarmed men, women and children, this guy is a fucking coward



  • Trying to keep this thread on topic

    If you want to talk about the non entity from another country that got egged, look over here:
    https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/1477/aussie-politics/1007



  • "One of the officers phoned me straight after to advise me that they'd damaged a car."
    Stills said it was the second car from his patch damaged in a week and he'd previously told staff not to wreck any others as they were already short.
    ...
    "You could police for 100 years and not get an apprehension anywhere near that good.



  • Curious as to what punishment the guy will get... what’s the worst punishment nz can give him?



  • @Yeahtheboys said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Curious as to what punishment the guy will get... what’s the worst punishment nz can give him?

    He will die in jail , there's provision for life meaning life

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111336144/christchurch-shooter-faces-extraordinary-jail-sentence



  • @Yeahtheboys said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Curious as to what punishment the guy will get... what’s the worst punishment nz can give him?

    He'll get preventive detention, with a non-parole period higher than we've ever seen. If it is less than 75 years I would be surprised. Even if the non-parole period is shorter than his remaining life, it seems very unlikely he would ever be released.



  • @Yeahtheboys said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Curious as to what punishment the guy will get... what’s the worst punishment nz can give him?

    Preventive Detention?



  • @Virgil said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    A citizen from another country performed the most evil act in NZs history. He’s also spent a lot of time flying back and forward to suspect counties like Turkey and Pakistan.

    Once the shock has died down I’d be hoping our govt makes a few hard please explain requests to several foreign agencies.

    Imagine the shit storm if this was a kiwi who did this in Australia or the States.

    Turkey and Pakistan seen like odd places to travel for a white supremacist that hates Muslims. Has there been any explanation for why he was there?



  • I really, really REALLY wish Americans would stop tweeting that this was our first mass shooting, and that we changed the law and banned semi automatic weapons already.

    I know a lot of people there are extremely frustrated about their own gun control situation, but using this horrific event for their own ends and making up shit is pissing me off no end.



  • Jesus..back in civilisation after a weeks holiday, even with my self enforced embargo avoiding all things news and politics for a week I still got notified late Friday via message from my family. Haven't read into everything yet but damn I'm scared. The ripple effect from each of these 100+ victims from this senseless violence will be felt by society for years. I see media are happily throwing fuel on the fire and authorities are gearing up to make hamfisted knee-jerk decisions. I worry about revenge attacks from equivalent crazies in other camps and then revenge attacks on those revenge attacks. I hope we don't just run blindly into the reality that this terrorist desired to achieve his goals...but I also don't know how things can be turned around and this madness just stopped in its tracks. Just horrifying. And for it to happen in New Zealand of all places is just unbelievable.



  • @Mokey said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    I really, really REALLY wish Americans would stop tweeting that this was our first mass shooting, and that we changed the law and banned semi automatic weapons already.

    I know a lot of people there are extremely frustrated about their own gun control situation, but using this horrific event for their own ends and making up shit is pissing me off no end.

    Yep, lots of people in the US and the UK are using the Christchurch murders to make points about their own countries' situations which is understandable, but I wish they would learn a bit about NZ and NZ politics before mouthing off like they are experts.



  • @Rembrandt

    Martin Luther King said violence begets violence.... The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.

    These recent horrors were visited on the south island of New Zealand. They were NOT driven by New Zealand society or New Zealand's politics. The profound challenge will be containing the ripples and moving forward without sectarianism or fear. That said, if there is one place in the world where people have the strength of character and community to stop the descending spiral it is New Zealand.

    My bigger fear perhaps is that somewhere else, where there is more sectarianism, someone will use this to attack others they do not understand. I hope not. Time will tell.



  • Too many stories to sift through, yet still trying to make some sense of the “facts” as first reported.

    Initial reports were of a “team” — allegedly three, then a fourth (presumably a woman). A neighbour eye witness claims four people were in the vehicle prior to the massacre.

    All I’ve heard since is a lone wolf psychopath. Is there any more information about these other three alleged suspects, has anybody else been apprehended, or have those initial reports now been debunked?



  • One was a guy who took a gun with him to go pick up his kid

    The other were a couple in a car. She's been released He faces firearm charges. Another guy was arrested in a car that that contained firearms. Apparently none of the three had anything to do with the mosque gunman


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    @Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Too many stories to sift through, yet still trying to make some sense of the “facts” as first reported.

    Initial reports were of a “team” — allegedly three, then a fourth (presumably a woman). A neighbour eye witness claims four people were in the vehicle prior to the massacre.

    All I’ve heard since is a lone wolf psychopath. Is there any more information about these other three alleged suspects, has anybody else been apprehended, or have those initial reports now been debunked?

    Seems like a lone wolf. Will be interesting to see if the media will go along with that narrative.



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Seems like a lone wolf. Will be interesting to see if the media will go along with that narrative.

    A foreign lone wolf, who chose us as a soft target.

    Without taking away from the fact that we have issues in our society we need to address, a foreigner shooting people here does not indicate that we are breeding or tolerating madmen like this fella.



  • "Detectives are investigating an alleged far-right terror attack in Surrey after a teenager was stabbed amid a spate of racist incidents across Britain which came in the wake of the New Zealand massacre.

    Politicians and police have condemned the attacks and said extremism has no place in British society.

    The 19-year-old victim was said to have been attacked by a man armed with a knife and a baseball bat who it is claimed was heard shouting racist comments.

    The incident took place in Stanwell at around 10.30pm on Saturday night and the victim was rushed to hospital with what police said were non-life threatening injuries

    Detectives in Whitechapel, east London were investigating a serious assault on a 27-year-old man who was attacked by three people who had been making anti-Muslim comments.

    Three people were also in custody in Manchester following incidents in which allegedly offensive remarks were made to people in relation to the New Zealand terror attack.

    A 33-year-old woman and a 34-year-old man were arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated public order offences after a taxi driver was allegedly threatened and abused.

    Separately a 39-year-old woman from Rochdale and a 24-year-old man from Oldham were arrested on suspicion of posting offensive comments online about the New Zealand atrocity.

    And in Oxford, Nazi swastikas were sprayed on the wall of school, along with comments which appeared to be a reference to the Christchurch shootings."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/17/counter-terrorism-police-launch-investigation-suspected-far/



  • Police raid Australian home of accused's sister

    Counter-terrorism police are currently at the home of Brenton Tarrant's sister in Sandy Beach, near Coffs Harbour on the New South Wales north coast. There is a heavy police presence at the house, Nine News reports.

    Police raided the home about 8.30am AEDT (10:30am NZDT) on Monday, and shortly later executed a search warrant at a home in Lawrence.

    New South Wales Police said there was no information to suggest there was an impending threat to the community related to those searches.

    In a statement, police said the aim of the search was to formally obtain material that could help New Zealand Police.

    Tarrant's family has been assisting police with their inquiries.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111355982/christchurch-shootings-families-wait-for-bodies--live-updates



  • @dogmeat said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    One was a guy who took a gun with him to go pick up his kid

    The other were a couple in a car. She's been released He faces firearm charges. Another guy was arrested in a car that that contained firearms. Apparently none of the three had anything to do with the mosque gunman

    I saw a video on Stuff, I think it was John Campbell (?) interviewing the neighbour who said he saw four people in the car. Maybe a false memory? Maybe he had the wrong perp and car? He said he made direct locked eye contact with the psycho for 5-6 seconds while he was loading his gun. Maybe the guy is traumatised and doesn’t know jack??



  • @Salacious-Crumb I get that Campbell is a knob but labelling him a psycho is going a bit far - even though I can appreciate you would be traumatised if Goofy shoved a mike in your face.



  • @dogmeat is this a well played whoosh moment by chance??



  • @Paekakboyz Left hand, right hand, doesn't matter bro, I'm amphibious!!



  • @nzzp I've seen some stuff on Social Media, from some very intelligent people claiming this was an 'I told you so' moment; Waititi said NZ was racist, no one believed him...we told you NZ was racist, no one believed us...

    That idiot Samoan Eliota whatever his name is is fanning the flames.

    I expect NZ, has pockets of racist cnuts, but by and large are a tolerant society, although guys like Eliota show that racism works both ways, even if he is ignorant to his racism.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    interviewing the neighbour

    neighbour of the mosque?



  • This article makes a salient point. Do black Christian lives matter less?
    Obviously to New Zelaanders at the moment .. yes! But the world media? Supposedly liberal and hating of racism?

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/03/17/media-silence-surrounds-muslim-massacre-of-christians/



  • @Duluth said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    interviewing the neighbour

    neighbour of the mosque?

    Yes. Neighbour lives a hundred yards from mosque, claims he saw the killer with three other people in car prior to shooting.

    I did a search for the vid at Stuff but can’t find it. I searched through many many pages to locate, but they’ve likely removed and it’s now down the rabbit-hole.



  • Looks like he's going to try and follow the lead of that Norwegian nutter. Should have a closed trial



  • @Salacious-Crumb the shooters video showed only himself and no real room in the car for passengers.

    Apparently studies show eye witness accounts to be incredibly inaccurate.

    Probably just that, then magnified by unconfirmed media reports



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Yes. Neighbour lives a hundred yards from mosque, claims he saw the killer with three other people in car prior to shooting.

    I did a search for the vid at Stuff but can’t find it.

    Which sounds like a mistaken memory. There's video of him pulling up and parking. He's the only one in the car

    It's also suspicious that the number of people witnessed matched the number of arrests. Despite the two other arrests being unrelated and at different locations



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    This article makes a salient point. Do black Christian lives matter less?
    Obviously to New Zelaanders at the moment .. yes! But the world media? Supposedly liberal and hating of racism?

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/03/17/media-silence-surrounds-muslim-massacre-of-christians/

    What about 5 weeks ago in our general region?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/world/asia/philippines-jolo-cathedral-bombing.amp.html



  • it would surely have to be a fairly small circle of people in the know, be very tough to keep it all under the radar otherwise.

    As for the fuckstick defending himself, what a cnut...guess it saves the taxpayer a few dollars in legal aid bills before wasting more taxpayer dollars feeding, clothing and housing him for the rest of his life.



  • Finally finished reading all of this. Good to get a sense of what was going on as it was happening live. I'm no fan of Cindy but from everyone's account on here it seems she did well under some pretty horrifying circumstances so credit where credit is due. This to seal her re-election maybe?

    Think I might avoid facebook for a while. People are in shock and lashing out, there's almost a sick satisfaction from many thinking this proves their theory of a white supremacist NZ just as there is when there is an islamic terror attack and it confirms theories of islamic aggression. I guess that is natural but damn its a hell of a thing to vocalise.

    The faux virtue signalling by celebs just wanting more time in the limelight over this tragedy is sickening but pales in comparison to politicians jumping on it before the bodies are even cold. Even if Anning's argument had some merit to make the statement when he did just proves just how callous and out-of-touch with humanity this guy is.

    The real question now is how on earth do we stop this these tragedies from recurring? Can we put in place ideas that will actually do good or are we forever hamstrung in our current political environment to only do things that make us feel good?

    Stronger gun laws may help prevent a carbon copy of this but will it tackle the larger issue? This terrorist clearly does not see certain people as humans, he's clearly a driven ideologue, if a semi-automatic wasn't available would he have have carried out the attack through other means? I'd venture he would, I've not read his 'manifesto' or whatever it is yet but I understand the choice of using firearms was intentional for the political effect it would generate, and it looks like he'll achieve that goal. Removing semi-automatic access may reduce the scale of future individual attacks many years from now as the weapons become less available but will it reduce the number of attacks? Surely these same driven people will move to other firearms, or knives, or arson, or vehicles. If we don't start addressing underlying issues are we just putting a feel-good plaster on a festering wound?

    I know our mainstream media who still sadly drive much public opinion is completely unwilling to allow for mature, nuanced discussions preferring instead to paint the world as black and white and full of outrage. Until their influence goes I can't see us making any progress on this and if politicians follow their lead we're in real trouble.

    Once I find it I'm going to have a read of the manifesto to try and get an understanding of this guy, I understand why the video is being suppressed but I think it is a mistake hiding this document. It needs to be available so people can pick it apart, argue against his claims maybe try and get some insight as to what we can do to stop this from happening again. I'd much rather that than it be given some holy power as some forbidden document for pockets of people on the fringes of society to have access to without the ability to hear a concise counter-argument against it.



  • @Rembrandt Thankfully, I am not getting any of that on my FB page. I don't think I have seen one celeb themed post since it has happened nor the virtue signalling.



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    I know this is supposed to be a a hate on Stuff thread but I thought this Stuff interactive which provides info about the victims was well done:

    https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2019/03/end-of-our-innocence/

    Lot of dust in the room as I was reading that.



  • I thought this was an excellent article in The Australian today

    Be wary of blame and let’s not shut down debate

    Every time there has been an attack by Muslim terrorists, we condemn the evil killing of innocents and are at pains not to blame all Muslims. It would be immoral and factually wrong to blame an entire community for the murderous actions of a few. Yet it took less that 24 hours for political ratbags to exploit cold-blooded terrorism by a white supremacist in New Zealand on Friday for their narrow-minded, illiberal political agendas.

    One political ratbag, Fraser Anning, blamed the murders in Christchurch on Muslim violence. Here is a man who would rather grab a headline from his bigotry than express compassion for the murders of 50 innocent Muslims who went to a mosque to pray. Now, to the other ratbags. They may be more articulate, use fancy words, have a smoother delivery, but they, like Anning, seemed to ­deliberately exploit the Christchurch terrorist attacks to further their equally illiberal political agenda.

    They pointed the finger at one side of politics, blaming everyone from Donald Trump to Scott Morrison, John Howard, the Murdoch press and Sky News. Some of the blame-gamers are morally reprehensible, as well as moronic. Others are more dangerous. Those who want to shut down debate, to impose their views on us, they understand that robust debate is a certain death knell for their views. On Saturday, Phillip Adams blamed Anning’s response to the terrorist attack on former prime minister Howard. Adams said that “Anning was created by Hanson … Hanson was unleashed by Howard. Never forget she began her political career as an endorsed Liberal candidate.”

    It reeks of foul desperation to engage in another round of Howard-bashing 12 years after Howard left office, and 23 years after Hanson was disendorsed — repeat, disendorsed — as a Liberal candidate.

    It is sinister when smart people engage in blame games for political purposes. But even when the ill-informed do it, it warrants challenging. Yassmin Abdel-Magied blamed politicians in Western nations who have been beating the Islamophobia drum. In an extended Twitter thread, she said part of her wants to say to leaders “hay (sic) the shooter is one of your sorts”. Then she settled on root cause, “the othering, the scapegoating and demonising of Muslims throughout the West. The foreign policy positions that are self-centred and neo-colonial …”

    The ABC’s Annabel Crabb called it a “great, passionate thread”. Sadly, it was neither. Abdel-Magied’s claims and the terrorist attacks sit side by side like a glaring non sequitur, blank assertions, sweeping generalisations, few connecting facts.

    Waleed Aly exposed himself as a hypocrite. In the past, Aly has seemingly ducked for cover about mentioning Islam when Muslim terrorists have been Muslims murdering innocent people in the name of Islam. In 2013 he told us that “terrorism is a perpetual irritant”. Imagine the irritation of the families of those slain inside two mosques in Christchurch. Not this time. When a white supremacist killed Muslims in Christchurch, Aly couldn’t mention Islam enough. Those terrorist acts on Friday are not perpetual irritants, then? Because it involved a white supremacist? To coin your words on Saturday, “don’t change your tune now”, Waleed, either consider the ideological causes of terrorism in all cases, or don’t do it in any case.

    Absolutely, we should analyse the words of the white supremacist terrorist in Christchurch to understand his political motivations. Just as we should study carefully the political motivations of Muslim terrorists who kill in the name of Islam. But none of that justifies using the Christchurch terrorist attacks to further one’s political agenda.

    American writer Max Boot blamed the terrorist attacks on President Trump. A gaggle of voices on Twitter blamed our Prime Minister. Online anonymous activists Sleeping Giants blamed Sky News. GetUp blamed right-wing politicians and the Murdoch press. Imran Khan blamed “the current Islamophobia post-9/11 where Islam & 1.3 billion Muslims have collectively been blamed for any act of terror by a Muslim”. Some on Twitter blamed me too. The Washington Post described Australia as “fertile ground” for murdering white supremacists.

    Those playing blame games with politics are trying to paint as mainstream what happens on the fringes of politics. That attempt to tar the centre-Right with the lunacy of the far-Right is wicked, politically driven and wrong in fact. Working in reverse, the blame-gamers are also trying to present entirely legitimate debates about immigration, integration, the self-evident clash of cultures and the rise of political Islam as fringe discussions that must be shut down.

    The day after terrorist attacks in Christchurch, an editor at The Saturday Paper called for laws to “penalise media outlets, and figures that consistently promote fear and hatred” and “robust laws against the spread of hate speech”. It is one thing to condemn utterly an evil white supremacist who used his warped political agenda to mow down and murder Muslims exercising their right to religious freedom in a thriving and peaceful democracy. The law will punish those who kill and incite others to violence.

    But we must stand up to those who seek to exploit terrorism as an excuse to censor views and shut down people they disagree with. The blame-gamers must not succeed in shutting down my views, or others in The Australian, or on Sky News.

    And don’t fall for claims that this censorship, under the ruse of clamping down on hate speech, will stamp out terrorism. Shutting down robust debates about immigration and how cultures live side by side will create more white supremacists, more unhinged, self-professed martyrs, and more people with loathsome views, like Anning. These people will thrive in the dark woods of the internet, echo-chambers nurturing their hatred and bigotry away from logical argument.

    The terrorist attacks in New Zealand have reaffirmed one eternal truth. If we tolerate the intolerant, whether on the extremes of the Left or Right, we condemn the West to totalitarianism.



  • @antipodean Great article. Thanks for posting.



  • This is bloody brilliant. Throw the book at this sonufabitch



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    This is bloody brilliant. Throw the book at this sonufabitch

    I disagree.

    He is a stupid kid. He shared a sick video that many were sharing and many more watched despite knowing exactly what it was, including a number of people on this forum. He also shared a stupid sick picture.

    14 years max jail term per charge is absolutely ridiculous for this offence and the fact that the judge is refusing bail just shows how the legal system is far from immune from emotional hysteria. The media is of course going to have a field day at this witch burning as they will for many more in the weeks to come.



  • @canefan Refused bail for sharing a vile video. That is terrifying.


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