Christchurch Gunman in Mosque



  • @Crazy-Horse good post, thanks mate. Do you think such directives from up high and modern attitudes to policing are creating an increasing disconnect with communities?

    One explanation could be that reduced funding has created the need for a leaner, less personal form of policing



  • I thought post-ANZAC Day they said the threat level had been reduced, so possibly just not taking chances (due to Ramadan?)

    Also heard something on the radio the other day that one of the Mosque's was installing a state of the art shooter detection system...cant find the story online, thought best not to go googling stuff like that either.



  • @Crazy-Horse said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Whether we like it or not there is a higher than normal risk of something happening following the shootings.

    Genuine question - is that true and if so why? Purely due to copy cat?

    Understand a little extra caution though.



  • @Snowy said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Crazy-Horse said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Whether we like it or not there is a higher than normal risk of something happening following the shootings.

    Genuine question - is that true and if so why? Purely due to copy cat?

    Understand a little extra caution though.

    Not entirely sure where they got their information, but we are led to believe at work that the risk is higher following an attack. Copy cat attacks and revenge attacks, and uncertainty around the extent of any terrorist cells (if terror related) are the reasons they cite.

    Maybe they are trying to scare us into being extra vigilant. l did read that terrorist acts don't seem to occur in clusters any more, suggesting one terrorist attack does not necessarily lead to another. But I am not sure that study would be relevant to what happened in Christchurch, or how credible the study was.



  • @Siam said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Crazy-Horse good post, thanks mate. Do you think such directives from up high and modern attitudes to policing are creating an increasing disconnect with communities?

    One explanation could be that reduced funding has created the need for a leaner, less personal form of policing

    Some stories don't generate as many headlines as others, but there's still plenty of ongoing community engagement that I've seen lately, e.g.

    ... Mrs Tuhoro says community constables and other local officers have a high profile in the school, and - because of that - the attitude towards police has moved in the six years since the high school opened. "When police first came in to the school, they were referred to as pigs. Then they became the cops. And now our youth aid officer's name: George. So that's the change that's happened," she says...

    Link: Kawerau town's gang family children studying for police career



  • @Donsteppa thanks don. That's the type of insight my jaded soul needs.👍



  • It would be great to know what the criteria for a visit is.

    Legally purchase a gun and publicly criticise an extremist ideology?

    Will Jacinda's working group to save us from social media extend on this?...I'm sure it's all just keeping us safe.



  • What are we trying to achieve here?

    Incarcerated a 16 year old for sharing a video. A claim he denies. Surely we can find out from phone data?

    He's out on bail with 24 hour curfew, no social media allowed, visits from counsellors every day and strict instructions that he must not play paintball.

    Is this really our best strategy for fighting "terrorism" and keeping NZ "safe"?

    Resources and money wisely spent?

    He's either a threat ( locked up) or not.

    Is a 16 year old using modern technology really a clear and present danger to the sovereign safety of New Zealand?

    Well, that's the only conclusion the government is transmitting

    sigh....



  • so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...



  • @taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...

    They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen



  • @canefan yeah when I heard them say it on the headline, then at the end of the news, they said just confirming our breaking news, then after the weather moments later, they said it again.



  • Anyone know why the u-turn over terrorist charges? From memory they weren't going to go down that route as it could result in more of a shit show



  • @Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Anyone know why the u-turn over terrorist charges? From memory they weren't going to go down that route as it could result in more of a shit show

    They haven't said I don't think. I disagree with calling it terrorism. They should reduce it to what it was, some quack with a gun



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    Anyone know why the u-turn over terrorist charges? From memory they weren't going to go down that route as it could result in more of a shit show

    They haven't said I don't think. I disagree with calling it terrorism. They should reduce it to what it was, some quack with a gun

    There's a fair number of people that believe that if the perpetrator is brown it is terrorism, if white then it's not. So I think that may have played into the decision to charge terrorism.

    I kind of agree with you though, it's not easy to discern the ideology he was following as he is just all over the place and appears to be more of a troll trying to start conflict than anything else. You could call him an ethno-nationalist I guess but then he praised black people in the States so...



  • surely his actions fit the definition of the word?

    the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims

    I assume his pleading Not Guilty will fit into his 'political' ideology for the attacks?

    They did mention a charge (or charges) were under the Terrorism Supression act or something.



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...

    They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen

    I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...

    They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen

    I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.

    That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...

    They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen

    I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.

    Agree 100%. Needs to be exposed for the shitcunt he is. I'm sure he'll be something of a heroic figure to a few psychos but thankfully they are in the minority.



  • @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...

    They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen

    I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.

    That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed

    Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.



  • @Rembrandt said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @canefan said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    @taniwharugby said in Christchurch Gunman in Mosque:

    so he has plead not guilty to the 90 odd charges against him, a trial date is likely to be May next year...

    They need a media blackout for the whole trial. Don't give the grub any oxygen

    I don't know about this. They live streamed the Breivik trial in Norway. They even provided a stream with an English interpreter. It just showed him to be the nutter that he was. Reckon that may be the way to go rather than have him be this mysterious figure.

    That actually sounds a good idea. This guy is not going to be the sharpest tool in the shed

    Yep, honestly this media blackout and jailtime for having or distributing the video and his manifesto is only making him and his ideas infinitely more popular in the dark recesses of the internet.

    YEah but who cares about the 'dark recesses of the internet'? Most live in the real and light world of life


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