2019 Halbergs
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@Bovidae said in 2019 Halbergs:
An interesting and informative read about the politics of the Halbergs.
I love the Halbergs, for better or for worse. That was a very interesting article and while Romanos clearly has his own agenda with that piece, it would be very interesting to know more about why they went from panel decisions to secret ballot. I can understand the reasoning for the secret ballot (that article makes a reasonably good case actually, since its basically all people lobbying for their pet favourites).
But at the end of the day, it's great way to raise money for a good cause and celebrate NZ's sporting success, and we probably shouldn't worry too much as the inevitable wierd decisions come out from time to time. Comparing sports is a thankless chore and there will inevitably be guys who are long term legends but always get beaten out by guys who have a single spectacular year. Perhaps they should add an award for sustained performance (say best over the last five years) but that brings its own pitfalls.
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@Cyclops said in 2019 Halbergs:
@Bovidae said in 2019 Halbergs:
An interesting and informative read about the politics of the Halbergs.
I love the Halbergs, for better or for worse. That was a very interesting article and while Romanos clearly has his own agenda with that piece, it would be very interesting to know more about why they went from panel decisions to secret ballot. I can understand the reasoning for the secret ballot (that article makes a reasonably good case actually, since its basically all people lobbying for their pet favourites).
But at the end of the day, it's great way to raise money for a good cause and celebrate NZ's sporting success, and we probably shouldn't worry too much as the inevitable wierd decisions come out from time to time. Comparing sports is a thankless chore and there will inevitably be guys who are long term legends but always get beaten out by guys who have a single spectacular year. Perhaps they should add an award for sustained performance (say best over the last five years) but that brings its own pitfalls.
I recall back in the day Brendan Telfer talking (pontificating ?) about the change.
He was a contemporary on the panel with Romania apparently.
I seem to recall he mentioned some of the sports stars felt "bullied" in the panel discussion so got it changed. (I got the impression he felt they were being a but precious. Perhaps "triggered" may be the word we'd use today.)
But from the description in the article you can see how that would work if you went in with preconceived preferences and they got challenged by fact and logic.
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Surprised no one has posted these yet:
Supreme Halberg Award: Silver Ferns
Sportsman of the year: Israel Adesanya
Sportswoman of the year: Lisa Carrington
Para athlete/team of the year: Sophie Pascoe
Team of the year: Silver Ferns
Coach of the year: Dame Noeline TauruaEmerging talent: Alice Robinson
Moment of the year: Silver Ferns' Netball World Cup win.Lifetime achievement award: Yvonne Willering
Leadership award: Dame Noeline Taurua
Sports Hall of Fame inductee: Sid GoingStoked for Izzy. Very Silver Ferns heavy?
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Pretty interesting to have a UFC fighter as NZ Sportman of the Year. I'm probably alone here, but I fucking hate UFC, I think it's barbaric and shit. I don't for a second doubt the guys are very courageous and fit and athletic and all that. But I can't bear watching it, and can't understand how so many can.
In a world where we have most major contact sports leagues fighting the fallout of increasing numbers of players battling the long-term effects of head injuries, I find it very strange to be lauding someone in this type of "sport".
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@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Halbergs:
@voodoo
Is MMA worse than Boxing, Rugby, American Football for CTE or concussions?Depends on how you measure it?
In total numbers then probably not, but in a ratio of ‘games’ to concussions then for sure.
I get what @voodoo is saying. In rugby for instance, any contact with the head is being heavily policed yet in fight sports it is cheered.
It’s not a sport that I “get” either.On a different note the Halberg ‘emerging’ award has once again gone to someone that has already emerged and is doing very well. Emerged onto their blinkered radar perhaps?
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@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Halbergs:
Sportsman of the year: Israel Adesanya
He gave a good speech too. Pointed out NZ's strong history in combat sports and the Halbergs history of ignoring boxers, kick boxers, mma fighters. It's largely class based gatekeeping. He did it in a way that didn't shit on other sports.
Then he thanked people like Jimmy Peau, David Tua, Ray Sefo, Joseph Parker and Eugene Bareman etc -
I don't really see the problem with a "secret" ballot. The words are so obviously an attempt to trigger people off. It's an anonymous vote, so what? Netball won, Israel won, lots of individual athletes have won. So it's not a jack up by NZ rugby after all
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@Crucial said in 2019 Halbergs:
@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Halbergs:
@voodoo
Is MMA worse than Boxing, Rugby, American Football for CTE or concussions?Depends on how you measure it?
In total numbers then probably not, but in a ratio of ‘games’ to concussions then for sure.
I get what @voodoo is saying. In rugby for instance, any contact with the head is being heavily policed yet in fight sports it is cheered.
It’s not a sport that I “get” either.From what I have read and heard, it's the action of the brain rattling that does the damage, and hence boxing is worse than MMA where the gloves are lighter/thinner, and where the elements of wrestling/jiu jitsu and leg kicks etc. mean head hunting isn't the only way to win.
I'm curious if similar comment would have been made had Parker become a world champ.
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@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Halbergs:
@Crucial said in 2019 Halbergs:
@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Halbergs:
@voodoo
Is MMA worse than Boxing, Rugby, American Football for CTE or concussions?Depends on how you measure it?
In total numbers then probably not, but in a ratio of ‘games’ to concussions then for sure.
I get what @voodoo is saying. In rugby for instance, any contact with the head is being heavily policed yet in fight sports it is cheered.
It’s not a sport that I “get” either.I'm curious if similar comment would have been made had Parker become a world champ.
Some would as boxing is seen by many as barbaric as well. Good point though that there are probably a chunk of people that have come to accept the 'Art' of boxing but, like me, just see trained street fighting with MMA. The big image difference for me is that you don't keep hitting someone when they are down in boxing and certainly don't use things like elbows and kness to the head.
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@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Halbergs:
From what I have read and heard, it's the action of the brain rattling that does the damage, and hence boxing is worse than MMA where the gloves are lighter/thinner
Plus longer fights, shorter rounds, 10 counts, fights with standing 8 counts etc. Those are all things than contribute to the damage being prolonged.
Mma tends to end quicker and appear more violent. The refs generally do a very good job of protecting the fightersPersonally I enjoy boxing and mma. I hope they both co-exist for a long time. I do understand that people may have a subjective dislike of mma.
I also understand the violence complaint as long as it is applied equally to all sports. -
I prefer a quality boxing fight to MMA. But then a good MMA fight is better than a boring boxing match.
Mayweather was the reason I stopped getting PPV because his fights were all the same. Great skill sure, but shit entertainment. You generally don't get that in the big MMA fights I have watched.
It's great that a fighter is recognized at our major sporting awards though, he's achieved something amazing and deserves the recognition.
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@Duluth said in 2019 Halbergs:
@mofitzy_ said in 2019 Halbergs:
From what I have read and heard, it's the action of the brain rattling that does the damage, and hence boxing is worse than MMA where the gloves are lighter/thinner
Plus longer fights, shorter rounds, 10 counts, fights with standing 8 counts etc. Those are all things than contribute to the damage being prolonged.
Mma tends to end quicker and appear more violent. The refs generally do a very good job of protecting the fightersPersonally I enjoy boxing and mma. I hope they both co-exist for a long time. I do understand that people may have a subjective dislike of mma.
I also understand the violence complaint as long as it is applied equally to all sports.Meh, the "barbaric" tag gets thrown at Rugby from some sections of society too.
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@mariner4life
MMA can be pretty dull too but Adesanya's fights have always been entertaining from start to finish.