Black Lives Matter
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@Victor-Meldrew yep, though that few years after the reconciliation process, the brief hope of the rainbow nation was a real positive. Then it turned racist again.
To my outsider eyes anyway.
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
Are you open?
Do you have what I'm looking for?
Is it sensibly priced?No fucks given whatsoever to what colour the shop is
It's the patronising "People with black skin can't run businesses successfully so it's up to us virtuous white-skinned people to help them out" approach which is so fucked-up.
If I were running a successful black business, I'd find it bloody demeaning
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@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@Victor-Meldrew yep, though that few years after the reconciliation process, the brief hope of the rainbow nation was a real positive. Then it turned racist again.
To my outsider eyes anyway.
Loads of good stuff going on in Africa. Mainly in places where they generally don't give two stuffs about skin colour.
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@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC we must acknowledge the present day context.
Would this announcement pass the "what if the other colour said it" test?
There's a nasty and unnecessary race conflict present already, getting more irrational, and this sort of stance is certainly provocative. All of these voices, and Antifa hypocrites, need to be questioned by way of solid principles.
We're wilfully traversing further away from a colour blind world - surely the logical goal.
I’m not denying there is a big problem with the current focus on colour, and many things wrong with the arguments that are used. This, though? Not so much.
This is a data point that is a binary-state fact. It can be used positively, negatively or not at all. Like most things. Is your problem that it is untrue or that you don’t like that it is publicised?
Even if you think it’s provocative (I don’t agree BTW), there are a good many people on here, including myself, who reject the very idea that things must be stopped because they provoke people. Provocation, like offence, is in your head. Nobody is making you buy from black businesses, or even requiring you to check. Nobody is making you google businesses at all.
I have real concerns about a restrictive hard-left agenda but I’ll save my outrage for the very many parts of it that are grounded in shallow ideology rather than facts.
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@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@Siam said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC we must acknowledge the present day context.
Would this announcement pass the "what if the other colour said it" test?
There's a nasty and unnecessary race conflict present already, getting more irrational, and this sort of stance is certainly provocative. All of these voices, and Antifa hypocrites, need to be questioned by way of solid principles.
We're wilfully traversing further away from a colour blind world - surely the logical goal.
I’m not denying there is a big problem with the current focus on colour, and many things wrong with the arguments that are used. This, though? Not so much.
This is a data point that is a binary-state fact. It can be used positively, negatively or not at all. Like most things. Is your problem that it is untrue or that you don’t like that it is publicised?
Even if you think it’s provocative (I don’t agree BTW), there are a good many people on here, including myself, who reject the very idea that things must be stopped because they provoke people. Provocation, like offence, is in your head. Nobody is making you buy from black businesses, or even requiring you to check. Nobody is making you google businesses at all.
I have real concerns about a restrictive hard-left agenda but I’ll save my outrage for the very many parts of it that are grounded in shallow ideology rather than facts.
You don't think it's provocative? Would your opinion hold if a company had a little logo saying "White Owned"?
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@JC good post, thanks . With what you've explained, it reminds me of the free speech principle where even if you hate what's spoken, the principle to have it heard is rock solid, and offence begins and ends with the individual, and their choice.
I think my hypersensitivity to this callow racial dividing can't stop me glancing at that big elephant in the room when these "initiatives" arise.
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@Siam I just think that facts can be misrepresented, misused or ignored, but it doesn’t stop them from being facts. These are apparently black owned businesses. Most people will ignore that fact. Some will use it affirmatively to help their community prosper, as I do with preferring local businesses, or even negatively because they dislike any non-black owned businesses. Others will use the fact to avoid the businesses, either on a point of principle, or from actual prejudice. I’m comfortably in the “ignore” bracket and assume that the vast majority of others are too.
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The People's Front of Judea or the Judean People's Front?
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@MiketheSnow said in Black Lives Matter:
The People's Front of Judea or the Judean People's Front?
BLM : The refuge of choice for the terminally enraged.
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Reporting the factual news is now racist and offensive.
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@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
Reporting the factual news is now racist and offensive.
How the fuck is Tarantino getting a bye on all of this?
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@No-Quarter said in Black Lives Matter:
Wow what a surprise
Police numbers are not the problem, it's the relationship with the community that they think needs work. BLM want to blow the whole thing up
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