Who is to blame?



  • I just saw the result.

    Who do you blame? Let it out, don't hold back. It doesn't even have to be rational

    Without even watching the game i blame Foster and TJP



  • Okay I've just watched skinny Ioane carry on after a try, and he's heading for the top of the list.

    Dude, when your only contribution is to pick up the ball and run into an empty corner, don't staunch out like you are 95 lomu



  • I Blame Deans.



  • I fell asleep just after the haka. I blame booze and shot golf



  • Foster and leadership for not reverting back to plan once it evened up.



  • The Boogie. (Again).



  • Nick Berry made it the referee show very early on - along with some selective decisions at times.
    Scott Barrett deserves a kick up the bum
    Foster for not backing in the reserves early enough
    The AB-collectively played dumb.
    Beaudy will get a clip in the media, but I don't think having RM would've made a difference. BB did some good things, Jordie was still available to be a second playmaker & kicker.
    I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - it became a bit attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
    I blame Australia for being Australia



  • @mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:

    I just saw the result.

    Who do you blame? Let it out, don't hold back. It doesn't even have to be rational

    Without even watching the game i blame Foster and TJP

    Should have locked the thread after this lead-off post



  • I blame the Wobblies for scoring more points



  • @broughie said in Who is to blame?:

    Foster and leadership for not reverting back to plan once it evened up.

    This.

    We were actually playing quite well up until the RC. It was a funny loose style but it was working and looked like a plan.

    After the Red we obviously tried to change things up and not everyone was in tune. Should have adjusted back after the 14 on 14 happened but got sucked into trying to do crazy shit at 14 on 13.

    The reffing was frustrating. Not helped by hometown replays and TMO strangeness. It was the inconsistency that got me. At one point TJ was coat-hangered after a kick through (or at least taken out) but no reaction at all from officials. Some of the 'not supporting' calls were extremely subjective and wouldn't have been called by other refs.



  • We were out-passioned, out-coached and lacked onfield leadership. We choked. It’s Suncorp...

    Nah, it just wasn’t our night!



  • Deans, Rennie (traitor), Foster, McCloud, Berry, TV producers, TJP, S Barrett, Ofa. How many are we expected to give here. I could go on.

    Oh, and Wobs for actually not being completly shit.



  • @mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:

    Without even watching the game i blame Foster and TJP

    This is actually pretty near spot on.

    TJP was the worst player on the field and Foster refused to sub him for 77 minutes.



  • @mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:

    Okay I've just watched skinny Ioane carry on after a try, and he's heading for the top of the list.

    And he did his stupid put-down again. Did he have a bad experience actually touching the ground as a kid?

    If he bombs another try because he drops it in this fashion, does he get dropped for good?



  • @westcoastie said in Who is to blame?:

    Nick Berry made it the referee show very early on - along with some selective decisions at times.

    Funniest comment so far.



  • The TMO was Paul Williams, so we can't accuse him of pro-Aust bias. This is what happens when you have two former halfbacks amongst the officials. 😉



  • Why do people hate Weber so much? I thought he was good and his cameo far too brief!



  • @nostrildamus said in Who is to blame?:

    Why do people hate Weber so much? I thought he was good and his cameo far too brief!

    Cos he was terrible in SR. His passing was inaccurate and he took a lot of bad options. Had a much better game in the North v South, was good last night too and should have come on a lot earlier. But I still wouldn't be confident if he started a test.



  • @NTA said in Who is to blame?:

    @mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:

    Okay I've just watched skinny Ioane carry on after a try, and he's heading for the top of the list.

    And he did his stupid put-down again. Did he have a bad experience actually touching the ground as a kid?

    If he bombs another try because he drops it in this fashion, does he get dropped for good?

    His % of stuffing up tries with that put down must be under 1% yet he gets more shit in this place than Scott of the Barretts who has basically caused us to lose two matches to the Wallabies through a red card and yellow card (and lose to England but even I don't blame him for that stupid selectorial decision).



  • @NTA said in Who is to blame?:

    @mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:

    Okay I've just watched skinny Ioane carry on after a try, and he's heading for the top of the list.

    And he did his stupid put-down again.

    Both the tries he's scored since he dropped that one he's still done the one-handed put-down.

    Where's John Mitchell's attention to the thumb grip when we need it?!! 🙂



  • @Chris-B said in Who is to blame?:

    @NTA said in Who is to blame?:

    @mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:

    Okay I've just watched skinny Ioane carry on after a try, and he's heading for the top of the list.

    And he did his stupid put-down again.

    Both the tries he's scored since he dropped that one he's still done the one-handed put-down.

    Where's John Mitchell's attention to the thumb grip when we need it?!! 🙂

    Yep, he’s not a quick learner on that one



  • @KiwiMurph said in Who is to blame?:

    @mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:

    Without even watching the game i blame Foster and TJP

    This is actually pretty near spot on.

    TJP was the worst player on the field and Foster refused to sub him for 77 minutes.

    That’s why Weber made my MOTM selections. The difference in those 3 minutes was profound.



  • @ACT-Crusader I totally agree.



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Who is to blame?:

    @KiwiMurph said in Who is to blame?:

    @mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:

    Without even watching the game i blame Foster and TJP

    This is actually pretty near spot on.

    TJP was the worst player on the field and Foster refused to sub him for 77 minutes.

    That’s why Weber made my MOTM selections. The difference in those 3 minutes was profound.

    Just the basic halfback passing aspect would have given us a try before halftime. TJ kept going himself





  • @Kirwan said in Who is to blame?:

    @ACT-Crusader said in Who is to blame?:

    @KiwiMurph said in Who is to blame?:

    @mariner4life said in Who is to blame?:

    Without even watching the game i blame Foster and TJP

    This is actually pretty near spot on.

    TJP was the worst player on the field and Foster refused to sub him for 77 minutes.

    That’s why Weber made my MOTM selections. The difference in those 3 minutes was profound.

    Just the basic halfback passing aspect would have given us a try before halftime. TJ kept going himself

    Most frustrating part of the whole test for me was that passage.



  • Wait, how many posts with no blame on @booboo ?



  • @Bones wait. What? Ploise exploin?



  • Blame Brisbane. ABs are almost always shit there. They get distracted by the nice weather or something.

    As mentioned, even the 88 team drew there. Grizz ordered them to all get hammered after that. Fozzie seems to have got that arse backwards and ordered them to get hammered before the game.



  • @booboo said in Who is to blame?:

    @Bones wait. What? Ploise exploin?

    You were there.



  • I blame all of the above.
    More than that, we seemed to have no clue on attack, and very little structure in defence.
    It concerns me greatly that we had no plan to combat / stem the Aus attack. Whilst Cane had been outstanding the previous weeks, I thought last night he was guilty of allowing his team to be drawn into an ugly bare-knuckled brawl with very little skill or intelligence on display. In short, the ABs went down a couple of skill levels and creativity last night, and for a large part of that second half allowed themselves to be dominated and went back into their shells remininscemt of the 2019 WC semi against England.
    No, I don't like it when the ABs lose.
    But I like it far less when I see no progress, learning or evolution.



  • Same day travel to and from the ground does not help preparations. It is a question of mindset and regular patterns.
    The red not taking control ffucked everything up, red and yellows sucked.

    Should have subbed off Reece and left Akira on, we needed an 8 man scrum. Reece was ineffective and Akira was one of our best. We beat the Aussies up front we should have kept it this way.

    TJP needs to stop reffing the game and just do his job, too slow reminds me of Ruru. When we had the ball in hand and built around multiple phases we were awesome, our first try was brilliant.

    We were relying too much on a counter attack kick chase, which the Aussies had clearly game planned for. BB did not change the game plan when it was not working, which is something the Crusaders do very well.

    I would have subbed Webber in at the 50 minute mark. Giving him 4 minutes was a shit call.

    The Team looked out of synch from the get go.



  • Still scraping the j!*$ off the ceiling after last week.

    But dont worry, we'll really make Argentina pay in the 3rd / 4th playoff simulation.



  • @Bones said in Who is to blame?:

    @booboo said in Who is to blame?:

    @Bones wait. What? Ploise exploin?

    You were there.

    First ever loss attended.



  • @number9 said in Who is to blame?:

    Same day travel to and from the ground does not help preparations. It is a question of mindset and regular patterns.

    Yeah Australia were much better prepared as a result of travelling to the ground on the same day...oh wait.

    The red not taking control ffucked everything up, red and yellows sucked

    Yeah Australia were much less fucked up as a result of having a different ref...oh wait. The ref was fine, quit whining.



  • Ref for totally losing control of the game. Not simply the cards but for allowing the niggle and handing out penalties like a Real Estate Agent at a business lunch. Completely stopped the flow of the game and allowed it to devolve into a shit fight.

    AB leadership for not reacting to the ref and changing team / tactics.

    Cane for not taking the three just before half time

    Barrett for being a big dumb bastard

    Foster for poor selections and lack of tactical nous



  • @Bones said in Who is to blame?:

    @number9 said in Who is to blame?:

    Same day travel to and from the ground does not help preparations. It is a question of mindset and regular patterns.
    

    Yeah Australia were much better prepared as a result of travelling to the ground on the same day...oh wait.

    The red not taking control ffucked everything up, red and yellows sucked

    Yeah Australia were much less fucked up as a result of having a different ref...oh wait. The ref was fine, quit whining.

    @Bones he’s saying that Australia clearly travelled in a more ‘regularly patterned’ way to the same ground at the same time. No wonder they won.



  • @dogmeat said in Who is to blame?:

    Ref for totally losing control of the game. Not simply the cards but for allowing the niggle and handing out penalties like a Real Estate Agent at a business lunch. Completely stopped the flow of the game and allowed it to devolve into a shit fight.

    AB leadership for not reacting to the ref and changing team / tactics.

    Cane for not taking the three just before half time

    Barrett for being a big dumb bastard

    Foster for poor selections and lack of tactical nous

    Have to disagree with this. We had them under pressure and have shown throughout the series that we have an effective maul which they had problems defending so I can understand what Cane was thinking. Ultimately it came down to TJP taking the wrong option twice, if he didn't it would have been almost a certain 5 pointer on both occasions.



  • @akan004 said in Who is to blame?:

    @dogmeat said in Who is to blame?:

    Ref for totally losing control of the game. Not simply the cards but for allowing the niggle and handing out penalties like a Real Estate Agent at a business lunch. Completely stopped the flow of the game and allowed it to devolve into a shit fight.

    AB leadership for not reacting to the ref and changing team / tactics.

    Cane for not taking the three just before half time

    Barrett for being a big dumb bastard

    Foster for poor selections and lack of tactical nous

    Have to disagree with this. We had them under pressure and have shown throughout the series that we have an effective maul which they had problems defending so I can understand what Cane was thinking. Ultimately it came down to TJP taking the wrong option twice, if he didn't it would have been almost a certain 5 pointer on both occasions.

    At the last we should have taken the three on the last penalty we got at halftime, we'd already tried twice and not been able to get over the line.



  • @Nepia said in Who is to blame?:

    @akan004 said in Who is to blame?:

    @dogmeat said in Who is to blame?:

    Ref for totally losing control of the game. Not simply the cards but for allowing the niggle and handing out penalties like a Real Estate Agent at a business lunch. Completely stopped the flow of the game and allowed it to devolve into a shit fight.

    AB leadership for not reacting to the ref and changing team / tactics.

    Cane for not taking the three just before half time

    Barrett for being a big dumb bastard

    Foster for poor selections and lack of tactical nous

    Have to disagree with this. We had them under pressure and have shown throughout the series that we have an effective maul which they had problems defending so I can understand what Cane was thinking. Ultimately it came down to TJP taking the wrong option twice, if he didn't it would have been almost a certain 5 pointer on both occasions.

    At the last we should have taken the three on the last penalty we got at halftime, we'd already tried twice and not been able to get over the line.

    They were down to 13 at that point and our mauls failed only because the Aussies drove early on both occasions. Pretty lucky not to get a yellow for that imo. This wouldn't be a discussion point if TJP didn't fuck up though, we would be praising Cane for going for the try.


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