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@Paekakboyz
1st step is to see if the emails are really Hunter's.
2nd step is to make it clear what is in them if it concerns voters.If they are true, what has been said and revealed already is concerning.
See The Big Guy reference Hunter reportedly made carving out an equity stake for Joe Biden to be held in Hunter's name or the email shown where it is implied Hunter must give him half his salary.
The NY Post has the information putting out info' each day on what they received.
This one paints Joe Biden in a positive light.Heck of a Russian dis-info effort !!!!
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@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@Winger the visuals to who? Increase the degree of dislike for those that already don't like him? At this point the case is big on potential scandal but not 100% confirmed. If it's as cut and dried as claimed then show the proof. To use your language this comes across as weak.
There should be no difference in the requirements for evidence/proof for anyone. I wonder if similar info came out about a Trump family member you'd hold the same position on their supposed guilt.
Biden was stupid bragging about having the prosecutor fired. That just happened to be investigating the company his son was getting money from. If Trump did likewise (not the made up nonsense about his telephone call) I would have written him off by now as just another crocked politician.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Maybe they aren't bothering to give it more oxygen this close to the election? Again it's all 'sources' say X, Y, Z. Where are the full emails rather than the snippets being shared? If it's such a smoking gun that would blow any denial out of the water.
I guess because its not. A smoking gun.
I m still struggling to see the revelations. We know Hunter got well paid jobs more through who he was rather than his abilities. No difference to the Trump/Kushner clan there. We also know that he has used his connections to further himself. Again no difference.
We know he had/ has a drug problem. Not hidden.
The Ukraine prosecutor stuff has been well investigated even by the republicans and although the visuals aren’t great Joe was actually asked by other parties to sort it out, not Hunter or Burisma.Its very different to Trump. The Trump allegations are weak. And various full on investigations found nothing
And the visuals are awful for Biden. He been protected by a corrupt news media but its not providing the protection it once did. Biden's under real pressure now. And just accusing others (like Trump) for what he has been doing might not work anymore.
That is a huge amount of one eyed piffle.
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So emails have metadata and have also been verified by one of the recipients, the Biden camp are still yet to deny their authenticity and apparently there are emails to be released showing Biden's lawyer desperately requesting the return of the hard drive from just prior to the story breaking.
Getting very interesting now.
I wonder...hypothetically speaking if course...if there is also maybe some video/images of an illegal sexual nature involving Hunter Biden. Would media companies still refuse to report on it or would the potential salaciousness be enough to break the pro-democrat censor?
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@Rembrandt has that metadata been shared or verified by an independent source? I've seen that they have metadata repeated a lot now, but nothing more than that.
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@Paekakboyz I don't know, but what would you classify as an 'independent source'? I think these days that is right up there with the tooth fairy & santa claus.
At this point I'd say a a lack of denial from the Biden camp plus numerous photos proving this is Hunter's data is pretty compelling.
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I’m still waiting to hear why these emails are getting some people’s panties wet.
Nothing in them we didn’t know or has relevance to his fathers campaign.
It’s pure mud slinging at the moment.
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@Crucial So at this point you agree they are real but don't see an issue with their content outside of normal politician family favouritism? Nothing that should preclude someone taking the highest office? (at least in 2020's low-bar standards)
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial So at this point you agree they are real but don't see an issue with their content outside of normal politician family favouritism? Nothing that should preclude someone taking the highest office? (at least in 2020's low-bar standards)
It certainly appears that the source of the emails is Hunter's laptop and that people have not only accessed his private correspondence and photos but are going through it in detail looking for dirt. That's a bit scummy to start with and I wouldn't exactly be lauding those folk as heroes.
Do we know the veracity of every piece of info being released? Well, considering the aforementioned scumminess I don't exactly hold them in high trust. BUt yeah, let's assume that nothing is doctored.
Then you get the question of context. One email in a chain or series does not always provide the full story and opens up the ability to attach your own slant to it.
As for 'favouritism', I don't see evidence of that. I see evidence of using contacts and arms length influence to get your family a job for which they may not be the best at for sure. Show me most family businesses and you will see that happen to an extent.
I'm not condoning that a half baked twit can get a high paid job because of who his daddy is, just reluctantly accepting it as something that happens.
The big inference that I think you keep hinting at is that US policy was influenced by the needs of the Biden family. That is the only real story and I see zero evidence coming out here that counters the investigations already done. Lots of mud slinging, lots of inference but so far, no evidence. -
Anyway. Away from the sideshow for a moment and there is actually an election coming/happening.
As my weekly update on what has moved or not moved I can inform that the polls are showing no headline difference (now over the last month. The same states that are over 5% one way or another are still solid and still show that Biden can win using only those.
The 134 votes that sit in the under 5% margins each way are not required by the Dems but 96 of them currently lean that way.
If the polls were accurate (and we know they have margins of error) Trump would get heavily squashed and be 110 votes short. He is looking to (even with some poll reversal) be around 70 votes away from victory. -
@Rembrandt When you look at the polling state by state (not the popularity contest one) you can see why the Hunter Biden stuff is a desperate attempt to drum up scandal.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial Great so given that the emails are likely real, do you see an issue with msm not reporting on them or Facebook/ Twitter censoring and banning people from sharing the story even in private messages?
Considering that they seem to be someone's private conversations and photos (albiet an idiot who effectively ceded 'ownership' by not collecting them from the fixit shop) then not really.
At the moment the publication/sharing is out and out mudslinging and an attempt at misinformation to affect a democratic process.
So yeah, they may not apply that stick evenly but two wrongs doesn't make a right.
You still can't explain their relevance which is the position the SM providers find themselves in.
People beg them on one hand to stop being vehicles of misinformation but then cry when they do so because, you know, gossip. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial Great so given that the emails are likely real, do you see an issue with msm not reporting on them or Facebook/ Twitter censoring and banning people from sharing the story even in private messages?
Considering that they seem to be someone's private conversations and photos (albiet an idiot who effectively ceded 'ownership' by not collecting them from the fixit shop) then not really.
At the moment the publication/sharing is out and out mudslinging and an attempt at misinformation to affect a democratic process.
So yeah, they may not apply that stick evenly but two wrongs doesn't make a right.
You still can't explain their relevance which is the position the SM providers find themselves in.
People beg them on one hand to stop being vehicles of misinformation but then cry when they do so because, you know, gossip.But they (twitter etc) don't have an issue when its relating to Trump. Even if there is nil evidence apart from a source (meaning likely just made up by fake news). In this case there is actual emails and photo's etc. And it points to Joe operating as the boss man. Where his son did the dirty (illegal?) work but Joe always got his cut. It it also involves foreign countries. If it was Trump doing this and real evidence the fake news media would be all over it. In fact when the evidence never existed they still were. And twitter never had an issue with people discussing it.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Crucial Great so given that the emails are likely real, do you see an issue with msm not reporting on them or Facebook/ Twitter censoring and banning people from sharing the story even in private messages?
Considering that they seem to be someone's private conversations and photos (albiet an idiot who effectively ceded 'ownership' by not collecting them from the fixit shop) then not really.
At the moment the publication/sharing is out and out mudslinging and an attempt at misinformation to affect a democratic process.
So yeah, they may not apply that stick evenly but two wrongs doesn't make a right.
You still can't explain their relevance which is the position the SM providers find themselves in.
People beg them on one hand to stop being vehicles of misinformation but then cry when they do so because, you know, gossip.But they (twitter etc) don't have an issue when its relating to Trump. Even if there is nil evidence apart from a source (meaning likely just made up by fake news). In this case there is actual emails and photo's etc. And it points to Joe operating as the boss man. Where his son did the dirty (illegal?) work but Joe always got his cut. It it also involves foreign countries. If it was Trump doing this and real evidence the fake news media would be all over it. In fact when the evidence never existed they still were. And twitter never had an issue with people discussing it.
I've seen no evidence of any of that (except that Hunter was working in a foreign country). Can you be specific on your accusations and confirm that you aren't reading them and applying a meaning you want to see rather than what is actually there?
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@Winger and @Rembrandt (as you seem to be the most excited about this) can I ask how you would feel if you lost a laptop and instead of wiping it someone decided that despite no illegality on your behalf they would publicly release the contents to try and paint you and your family in a bad light. This could include naked shots of you and photos other people took with your phone when you were wasted.
Forget all the SM and MSM crying for a second and tell me whether this is acceptable behaviour by Rudi G.
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