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Because that is what Trump said he was going to do, what Guiliani said he was trying to do & what is being argued in the court (along with other things).
The blanket ban was not a Muslim ban, it was unconstitutional & it was illegal. But not a Muslim ban. It becomes a Muslim ban when Trump annouces that he will let in non-muslims. Like so much else Trump does he maybe would have got something through with more competency & if he & Guiliani had shut their mouths - not this law, but something close.
IE if you ban 7 Muslim majority countries thats not a MB by the letter. By intent & by what Trump has said it probably is - but probably struggles in law.
The second you say you will let in non-majority religions by definition it is a muslim ban.If I say "I'm banning NZers, but will let in NZers without NZ ancestry dating back more than 300 years" . That's a Maori ban.
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As for the bit you quote from the ruling I have a slightly different interpretation.
Trump's legal team approached this case on the basis that the courts cannot over rule POTUS on Security issues. The court is pointing out that as upholders of the constitution and law they can and will step in if laws are breached or require testing.
They even offered criteria where they would weigh security needs against legal involvement eg prove to us that "THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!"
from what I could tell Trump's team offered no proof in that regard. They wanted to concentrate on the right of the court to even decide.
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Yep, agree. This was a big case for religious rights. But the DOJ made it a HUGE case re what the president can do by invoking national security. And got well & truely smacked down re that. The "loss" re the ban is not that major, the loss re Trump having to answer to the courts is the big one. And he didn't just lose a bit on that, they utterly destroyed his argument, every bit of it.
At one stage the DOJ argued Trump knows stuff the court can't know, they kicked that right in the balls too -
In addition, the Government asserts that, “[u]nlike the President, courts do not have access to classified information about the threat posed by terrorist organizations operating in particular nations, the efforts of those organizations to infiltrate the United States, or gaps in the vetting process.” But the Government may provide a court with classified information. Courts regularly receive classified information under seal and maintain its confidentiality. Regulations and rules have long been in place for that. 28 C.F.R. § 17.17(c) (describing Department of Justice procedures to protect classified materials in civil cases); 28 C.F.R. § 17.46(c) (“Members of Congress, Justices of the United States Supreme Court, and Judges of the United States Courts of Appeal and District Courts do not require a determination of their eligibility for access to classified information . . . .”); W.D. Wash. Civ. L.R. 5(g) (providing procedures governing filings under seal).
This is a pretty good call for the people worried about religion, its a massive judgement for people worried about Trump doing what he likes.
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I see that a #ScienceMarch is being planned for April.
The organisers for this can go fuck themselves in the most uncomfortable of fashions. They reckon they will get 800,000 people marching.
IN reality it will be handful of left wing scientists, s larger bunch of climate scientists and the rest will the usual sore losers that turn up to every anti Trump moan fest.
What gives them the right to have an anti Science march and smear science with the reputation of being nothing but political bullshit.
If they want to march about climate change.. go ahead.. if they want to march for vaccinations.. go ahead.. I might even join them on that one. But dont fucking project yourself as marching for science. Fucking twats. They are marching for themselves and their political; views, nothing more. Dont sully the name of science en masse because you cannot handle losing.
Every single US president has ignored scientific advice. Every single one. Usually when it is politically or economically expedient.
Just like the womens march was not a womens march.. it actually march for women who like support abortion and hate Trump. This Science march is not a march for science.. it is a vanilla march against Trump.. and a massive exercise in virtue signalling. "ooh look at me I marched for science.. I am so much more logical and cleverer than Trump supporters". Fuck off.
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There's a lot of focus on this thread on Trump.
Not so much focus on how terrible the Democratic party currently is.
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It was only a matter of time
I guess it's just one of those things where you have to be first to tell the joke. At least the very end was funny.
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@antipodean that was painful to watch. Is that passes as comedy on TV these days?
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@antipodean I didn't get to the end
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I'm certainly sick of the continual cries of 'fake news!'
Fake news is stuff that is entirely invented for clicks/ratings. If a story is based in fact but debatable that does not make it 'fake'.
By all means dispute the claims, but the shrill cries of 'fake news' every time something that doesn't agree with your take on things comes out is just bullshit.
As an example- the 'Russia Files'. They aren't fake. They exist and good parts are verified publicly. Are news agencies meant to ignore them entirely? If they are credible enough to make it through analysis checks to a high level security briefing then they are far from fake.
Yes, the 'headline act' may end up proved to be false and maliciously reported on, but it wasn't invented by the press.Meanwhile the count of totally non- factual claims from Trump and his cohorts rises by the day.
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If I were Trump, I would not pursue the current travel ban EO any further, make the vetting more "extreme" in the interim, get the new Supreme Court justice in as quickly as possible, then resubmit a cleaned up version of the EO - possibly with some love hearts and flowers drawn on it so the 9th circuit like it more.
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This is an example of an uppity group really deserving Trump's pimp hand.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mexicans-vow-to-fight-trump-by-jamming-u-s-courts-1486768500
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