Robbie Deans to potentially replace Joseph



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    I'm excited about this prospect, as when Joseph decided to step down I could only narrow it down to five candidates, with Robbie being one of the top picks.
     
    I had him, Tony Brown (who I quickly discovered didn't want it), Scott Robertson (who will get the Crusaders job), Wayne Smith (probably not going to happened) and Colin Cooper (not ideal but fitted the mould).
     
    When Joseph decided to step down, what the Highlanders started looking for was a top draw coaching manager, someone who can slip into the systems which have already been set up and work alongside a top draw coaching team. We don't need someone who would want to come in and change everything.

    Robbie fits that, he is experienced, has won championships and is also driven to play an up-tempo game.
     
    I'm not too phased about his time with the Wallabies and hopefully look forward to see him taking charge of the Highlanders in 2017.

    Former Crusaders and Wallaby coach Robbie Deans has emerged as a dark horse candidate to take over the Highlanders next season.
    Deans - famously rejected as the All Blacks coach after the 2007 World Cup - could take over when Jamie Joseph leaves the 2015 champions to take up his new post in Japan.
    Southern rugby commentator Paul Allison told Radio Sport's Crowd Goes Wild Breakfast while Joseph's assistant Tony Brown is widely regarded as the frontrunner, there are suggestions Brown is not sure if he is ready for a head coaching role yet.
    Allison's sources claimed Deans was an "interested spectator" at the Highlanders v Waratahs warm-up match in Queenstown last month as part of "this whole recruitment process".
    Allison said he was relying on smoke signals.
    "I've heard he (Brown) doesn't want it yet - is not quite ready," said Allison.
    "The man being spoken about as a possibility - and I've got nothing to back this up - is Robbie Deans. Robbie Deans is a compatible fit - he is well liked in this part of the world, understands the southern culture."
    Allison understands there are five head coaching contenders, and Wayne Smith's name has also been "mentioned".



  • isn't Deans just mentioned with any top level coaching gig going at present?



  • He is, but he was from all accounts an invited guest of the Highlanders to their pre-season game in Queenstown and has also been spotted in Dunedin over the last week.



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  • I know for a fact that Deans has said he would never coach against Canterbury... hopefully that extends to the Crusaders as well.
     
    He did say a few months back he didnt want a Super coaching role because of too much travel



  • So Deans would never coach against Canterbury but is happy to coach against the All Blacks
     
    ......ok.........



  • So Deans would never coach against Canterbury but is happy to coach against the All Blacks
     
    ......ok.........

    yes. 
     
    He was told when he missed out on the job if he ever wanted to coach the All Blacks, he needed gain international experience first
     
     
    Anyway my allegiances lie in this order, can't see why others wouldn't ..... 1. Canterbury,  2. Crusaders,  3. All Blacks.



  • So Deans would never coach against Canterbury but is happy to coach against the All Blacks
     
    ......ok.........

    I suppose I should add that this information came directly from Don Hayes. One of Robbies best mates



  • and it doesn't really suprise me.  Wasn't the Deans family one of the first European settlers to the area?
     
    I often supported by club team (Pelorus) before any other team, including All Blacks



  • I support Northland first, but if given the opportunity to play for Scotland (only other team I qualify for) I wouldn't want to play against the ABs...I know easy to claim this in my tower given it would never happen, but hey, if I can make the Scottish side, bloody MN5 would probably end up stalking me on FB or something!



  • and it doesn't really suprise me.  Wasn't the Deans family one of the first European settlers to the area?

    Correct, they preceded the first four ships by around 7-8 years I think.



  • Kind of explains why his eyes are so close together......



  • I know for a fact that Deans has said he would never coach against Canterbury... hopefully that extends to the Crusaders as well.
    He did say a few months back he didnt want a Super coaching role because of too much travel
    Had no problems coaching against NZ although as we know their is a breed of Cantabs who are Canterbury first, second and third.
    He certainly was a better Cantab coach and player than he was an AB coach or player.



  • It's amazing the about turns people make when
     
    a. They have been shafted
    b. They are offered a huge contract elsewhere
     
    Which is why it's hard to judge Robbie on the decisons that he's made.  I've been in situation a before, but unfortunately never situation b!



  • When Joseph decided to step down, what the Highlanders started looking for was a top draw coaching manager, someone who can slip into the systems which have already been set up and work alongside a top draw coaching team. We don't need someone who would want to come in and change everything.
    Robbie fits that, he is experienced, has won championships and is also driven to play an up-tempo game.

    I don't think Deans fits that at all. By all accounts he is a "my way or the highway" type of coach.



  • I think Roger Clark and the Highlanders will be very careful about outlining the role they want their head coach to have. Joseph had to adapt following a number of years of my way or the highway, with a key ingredient in that being trusting his coaching team more. I'm sure the Highlanders will be making sure the candidates understand what will be expected of them.



  • The thing about Deans is that he is an amazing recruiter of young players. If the Highlanders get him expect them to develop into the best squad in the competition within 2 to 3 years and the other kiwi franchises scratching their hands wondering what happened to their star players they had coming through. This leagacy will last for a good 5-10 years after he moves on as well. The Crusaders are still benefiting from Sam Whitelock Kieran Read.
     
    This is the biggest difference between the Crusaders under Blackadder. Todd believes that BS about a champion team beating a team of champions. Deans always knew that a team of champions playing like a champion team was the way to go.



  • I think it would be a real coup for the Highlanders to get him but the Crusaders are mad if they have the option to get him back and choose not to.
     
    If Deans returned you wouldn't see the Blues hogging 3 quality 6s in Kaino, Luatua and Akira Ioane while the Crusaders lack ball runner to bend the line with Jordan Taufua starting when he should be the bench/impact player.
     
    Doubt Blake Gibson would be on the Blues roster either TBH. Doubt Otere Black would be wasting his time on the hurricanes bench either.
     
    As much as Hansen may not like to admit it with Deans back at the Crusaders the All Blacks would have a much wider pool of talent developed up to Super rugby level quicker.



  • Wow, I'm flabbergasted there is a province before country lot. I love HB, love the Magpies, but the ABs are first, Magpies 2nd, clubs and then Super.



  • Yep - country, province, Super team for me.



  • This is the biggest difference between the Crusaders under Blackadder. Todd believes that BS about a champion team beating a team of champions. Deans always knew that a team of champions playing like a champion team was the way to go.
     
    If Deans returned you wouldn't see the Blues hogging 3 quality 6s in Kaino, Luatua and Akira Ioane while the Crusaders lack ball runner to bend the line with Jordan Taufua starting when he should be the bench/impact player.
     
    Doubt Blake Gibson would be on the Blues roster either TBH. Doubt Otere Black would be wasting his time on the hurricanes bench either.
     
    As much as Hansen may not like to admit it with Deans back at the Crusaders the All Blacks would have a much wider pool of talent developed up to Super rugby level quicker.

    I agree Robbie did a better job of recruitment than Toddy but i'm not sure about team of champions stuff - when I think of Crusaders under Deans I think of very consistent players who know their roles and were a well balanced side. Guys like Casey Laulala were wonderful for the Crusaders but didn't translate to international stardom.
     
    Some of those examples are a bit off - Blake Gibson is an Auckland boy through and through and is getting starting game time. Otere Black looks a fine prospect but Mo'unga is a good prospect himself and has guided Canterbury to an ITM Cup title as a 10 in his own right. 
     
    Also Super Rugby has transitioned a lot since Dean's day - Deans was mostly Super 12 with Super 14 coming in during Deans' final three years. The current format is a much different beast.



  • I think it would be a real coup for the Highlanders to get him but the Crusaders are mad if they have the option to get him back and choose not to.
     
    If Deans returned you wouldn't see the Blues hogging 3 quality 6s in Kaino, Luatua and Akira Ioane while the Crusaders lack ball runner to bend the line with Jordan Taufua starting when he should be the bench/impact player.
     
    As much as Hansen may not like to admit it with Deans back at the Crusaders the All Blacks would have a much wider pool of talent developed up to Super rugby level quicker.

    Revisionism taken to its most absurd levels. The Crusaders under Deans hogged players in all sorts of positions.  This strategy only failed when he pissed players off and they left.
     
    As for your final point, it's pure conjecture. Super rugby as has been pointed out has changed a lot and Deans has been out of it for a looong time.
     
    No issues at all with Dean's coaching record at the Crusaders but there is a very long list of very good players that were a mainstay of his success that were with the franchise before he took over, including the following AB's
     Mark MayerhoflerCon BarrellTodd BlackadderDaryl GibsonMark HammettScott RobertsonNorm MaxwellJustin MarshallLeon MacDonaldAndrew MehrtensReuben ThorneNorm BerrymanGreg FeekDave HewettChris JackCaleb RalphGreg Somerville



  • Can't be bothered going through the list 1 by 1 but a few of those players came down here when Wayne smith was coach and Deans was manager.
    Smith himself has said one of robbies best points was his eye for young talent



  • I think it would be a real coup for the Highlanders to get him but the Crusaders are mad if they have the option to get him back and choose not to.
     
    If Deans returned you wouldn't see the Blues hogging 3 quality 6s in Kaino, Luatua and Akira Ioane while the Crusaders lack ball runner to bend the line with Jordan Taufua starting when he should be the bench/impact player.
     
    Doubt Blake Gibson would be on the Blues roster either TBH. Doubt Otere Black would be wasting his time on the hurricanes bench either.
     
    As much as Hansen may not like to admit it with Deans back at the Crusaders the All Blacks would have a much wider pool of talent developed up to Super rugby level quicker.

    Ioane is a natural 8 isnt he ?



  • Had no problems coaching against NZ although as we know their is a breed of Cantabs who are Canterbury first, second and third.

    Haha got that right.



  • Had no problems coaching against NZ although as we know their is a breed of Cantabs who are Canterbury first, second and third.

    Blood is thicker than water.



  • Blood is thicker than water.

    The actual full quote is "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" Which in fact means the opposite. 
     
    But yeah being a cantab I know the type, and there are loads of them.



  • Wow, I'm flabbergasted there is a province before country lot. I love HB, love the Magpies, but the ABs are first, Magpies 2nd, clubs and then Super.This is a tough one. I think I go club, ABs, Northland.
    Buy then it gets tricky if I think about which I'd prefer to win more this year, Joe Morgan Memorial Trophy, Rugby Championship or The Whatever The Fuck It Is Now Cup (NPC).
    Because the last time Northland won anything that wasn't a fucking kitchen utensil was maybe close to 20 years ago, I think I'd take the NPC win. ABs win the Rugby championship 9 times out of 10, and my club won the comp back to back in 2011/2012, so I could live with waiting another year to win that again.
    Oh how I dream of a golden era for the Taniwha. Alas, I fear when my son is old enough to listen to my stories of when we beat the star studded Vikings in the 2nd division final, he won't believe me - it'll just be too unbelievable that Northland could ever have won anything.



  • If I had to swap the AB's success for Wellingtons, I know which I'd choose. If I wanted that kinda of a shit record for the AB's I could always support Australia...



  • For me it's ABs first, second and third. I get behind my Super and Domestic teams but when they lose I don't cry. When the ABs lose I have an emotional break down.



  • If it would guarantee AB success for all time I would be happy for the Canes, Wellington, 7s team, Black Caps, Olympic team and All Whites to never win a single thing again.



  • Me thinks people gettin too blase about our recent conquests
     
    What if there's a johnny foreigner in your local side or (shudder) an ocker
     
    Is treason still a capital offence?
     
    Support the Highlanders - best of both worlds!!



  • Is odd actually, I am more emotionally invested in Northland, so get more upset when they lose (I know right) but get over it cos, well....ABs I guess having the expectation and it being fulfilled brings complacency and if the ABs were losing more it'd start grating too. But then I guess I also actually attend more Northland games, I suppose if I was able to attend more AB games too, I still recall the walk from Twickers in 99...



  • I am supportive of the idea of Robbie Deans returning to coach in NZ. The poor quality of the sides coached by Cotter and Schmidt suggest to me they are a miles away from being good enough to coach the All Blacks. If Steve Hansen really is going to quit in 2017, then a wiser, older Robbie Deans could well be the best man to take over.



  • If Steve Hansen really is going to quit in 2017, then a wiser, older Robbie Deans could well be the best man to take over.

    I really fucken hope not.



  • Anyone but Rennie 🙂



  • Anyone but Rennie 🙂

    Think of this way - if Rennie coaches the ABs he won't be coaching the Chiefs, who have rather owned the Crusaders during Rennie's tenure  🙂



  • If the rumours about the strained relationship between Deans and Tew are true, he's no chance of coaching the ABs again.



  • If the rumours about the strained relationship between Deans and Tew are true, he's no chance of coaching the ABs again.
    I really fucken hope so.



  • Think of this way - if Rennie coaches the ABs he won't be coaching the Chiefs, who have rather owned the Crusaders during Rennie's tenure 🙂

    We live in hope for the future because Blackadder's going...... 🙂


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